Archived Shows - 2017 : "Where the Lone Assassin Myth comes to Die..."

  • We take questions for guests
  • EMAIL the show live! or send in questions anytime

    All The Black Op Radio Shows archived on
    MP3 - avaialble for direct download 
    Details at Products page

    If you enjoy the archives please consider a donation... Or subscribe to the show... A subscription is a monthly automatic payment


  • $1/per show - a $52.00-donation
    Support Black Op Radio for the 2017 season
    -------------------------------------------------



    Click here to Watch 50 Reasons for 50 Years... Do It... Do it now.




    Show #832
    Original airdate: April 27
    Guests: Doug Horne / Bill Kelly / Stuart Galloway / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: Deception and the Second World War / JFK Assassination Research


    Play Doug Horne   (2:17:20)   MP3 download

    Available on YouTube

  • Deception, Intrigue, and the Road to War (Horne 2017)
            A Chronology of Significant Events Detailing President Franklin D. Roosevelt's
            Successful Effort to Bring a United America Into the War Against Germany
            During the Second World War
  • We were told December 7th, 1941 was a surprise attack, a 'day of infamy'
  • Doug still admires FDR, though he believes he had foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor
  • "Churchill did share a warning about Pearl Harbor ... November 26th, 1941"
  • "I never let my right hand know what my left hand is doing", FDR
  • FDR was Machiavellian at times, a champion of human rights
  • He was a Wilsonian internationalist, an opponent of isolationism
  • President Truman said, "He was the coldest man I ever met"
  • Franklin and Winston: An Intimate Portrait of an Epic Friendship (Meacham 2003)
  • "... pursue different courses at the same time and deceive those closest to them"
  • America entered World War One late, it's entry made the difference
  • We're not going to war anymore to pull the British Empire's chestnuts out of the fire
  • When Hitler invaded Poland, Roosevelt says publically what the people want to hear
  • But he began taking actions, he amended the Neutrality Acts, Cash and Carry
  • The Nazis overran Belgium, Holland, and France in May 1940
  • FDR's goal, prevent the defeat of Great Britain, not let the U.S.S.R. go under
  • Prepare American materiel, and to get a united U.S. into the war
  • The Lend-Lease Act, the Arsenal of Democracy speech, passed in March 1941
  • He was a ship negotiating a minefield of Isolationists and Interventionists
  • His one big mistake was to try to pack the Supreme Court with favorable justices
  • He had been totally obsessed with domestic concerns, he had to shift his focus
  • Roosevelt and Churchill met in secret at sea in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland
  • The Destroyers For Bases Agreement, September 2, 1940 (map)
  • While the destroyers were not useful, it was a morale boost and greased the skids
  • In Placentia Bay, they talked, and argued about the British Empire
  • Roosevelt said in secret, "I'll conduct an undeclared war against German U-boats"
  • A casus belli, "If Hitler doesn't like it, he can attack U.S. forces"
  • Two promises, to escort British ship convoys, to make undeclared war on the German Navy
  • Japan, Roosevelt said, "I'm going to baby them along'
  • The September 29, 1940 Tripartite Pact between Germany, Japan, and Italy
  • German U-boats were under strict orders not to attack any American ships
  • Out of the Placentia Bay meeting came the Atlantic Charter. August 14, 1941
  • "... the establishment of a wider and permanent system of general security"
  • "... the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live"
  • "... access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world"
  • In December 1940, we broke the Japanese diplomatic code (MAGIC)
  • Hitler promised Japan on August 15, 1940, "In the event of a collision between
            Japan and the United States, Germany would at once open hostilities with America'
  • The first incident between the U.S. and German Navies
  • On September 4th, two torpedoes missed the USS Greer destroyer
  • Freedom of the Seas Fireside Chat, September 11th, 1941
  • A second incident, the USS Kearny destroyer, hit and nearly sunk
  • FDR, October 27th, 1941 Navy Day speech, "the shooting has started"
  • A third incident, on the 31st the USS Reuben James was sunk, 115 deaths
  • Roosevelt did nothing, he had already decided, get in the war another way
  • Commander Arthur McCollum, ONI, October 7, 1940 Memorandum
  • "Not ... capable of declaring was against Japan without more ado"
  • An eight point plan, embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, oil
  • "... Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better"
  • Admiral Richardson, the Pearl Harbor fleet cannot conduct an offensive
  • Roosevelt, sooner or later Japan would make a mistake
  • FDR told Admiral Stark to conduct pop-up US cruises near Japan
  • The ultimate provocation, cutting off Japan's oil supply, July 26th
  • Threshold of War: (Heinrichs 1988)
            Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Entry into World War II
  • Some Japanese wanted to attack Russia, others to expand south
  • Cutting off Japan's oil forced them not to go north, they panicked
  • Admiral Yamamoto, the day war starts, cripple the American Pacific Fleet
  • It was unprecedented to use aircraft carriers as blunt instruments of offense
  • Our Navy thought torpedoes would not work in shallow Pearl Harbor
  • FDR, November 25th, we should maneuver them into firing the first shot
  • A Japanese modus vivendi, offer, counter-offer
  • Remove troops from Vietnam, oil for domestic consumption
  • The November 26 Cordell Hull Note, 10 tough demands
  • Withdraw all military, naval, air and police forces from China and from Indochina
  • Two Japanese operational orders Doug believes Churchill sent to FDR on the 25th or 26th
  • Doug found them in the 1946 The Pearl Harbor Committee Report, 40 volumes
  • November 22, Yamamoto to First Air Fleet:(a) The task force, keeping its movement
            strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft will advance
            into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force
            of the United States Fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow.
            (Doug confirms the message was sent the 22nd, not the 25th as printed in the report)
  • The oil embargo was in the guise of freezing of Japanese assets
  • The U.S. sent three war warning messages to forces in the Pacific
  • Two on November 27th, one on the 28th, desire Japan commit the first overt act
  • Navy listening posts, in three months, intercepted over 26,000 Japanese messages
  • There was a post-Pearl Harbor cover-up in the Navy communications headquarters
  • Shipping in the Pacific was routed south
  • A November 26th trans-Atlantic Churchill/Roosevelt phone call transcript
  • That may be a forgery, there was a secret underwater cable from London to New York City
  • The British Security Coordination Communications Division, Sir William Stephenson
  • Roosevelt to Churchill, "Japanese negotiations off. Services expect action within two weeks"
  • Doug knows of missing decrypts signals intelligence gave to Churchill
  • Army Pearl Harbor Board, on the 26th there was specific evidence of Japanese intentions
  • The Navy Inquiry, Admirals Kimmel and Stark, privilege against revealing state secrets
  • Hitler's promise to Japan, the back door to war
  • Navy listening posts were also direction finding stations
  • Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor (Stinnett 1999)
  • Infamy: Pearl Harbor and Its Aftermath (Toland 1982)
  • Fletcher Prouty told Len, ONI is much larger than CIA
  • On November 26, the Navy issued a “Vacant Sea” order, Pacific shipping to the south
  • Chief of Naval War Plans, Admiral Turner, rode roughshod over three ONI Directors
  • We know Pearl Harbor was being scouted (Takeo Yoshikawa)
  • Aircraft carriers, Lexington, Saratoga, and Enterprise were out of Pearl
  • Saratoga was in San Francisco, the other two were delivering planes to Wake and Midway
  • Doug thinks it was luck, fortunate they did not meet the Japanese carriers
  • ONI knew shallow running torpedoes were used in the attack at Taranto
  • The best ships were in the Atlantic, obsolescent ships were in Pearl
  • The U.S. had 47% of the world's manufacturing power, Japan 3.5%, Germany 14%
  • The plan was Germany first then Japan
  • Get the book, focus on the Turner, Marshall, Stark, Stimson testimony
  • Harry Hopkins, Dec. 7th, "The enemy was Hitler ... Japan had given us an opportunity"
  • Churchill, Dec. 7th, he wept with joy, he slept well for the first time in two years
  • Len learned quite a bit from the book, a deeper understanding of Franklin Roosevelt
  • Doug found the FBI looked competent in Hawaii before the attack
  • Len wonders who didn't know about the attack coming?
  • Doug has worked on this off and on for six years

    Play Bill Kelly   (24:51)   MP3 download



  • jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com and jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com
  • CAPA promoted a Sunshine Week program (BOR #827)
  • Judge John Tunheim - CAPA Sunshine Week at NPC
  • Bill has posted two more transcripts of the presentations
  • Nate Jones of NSA at CAPA Sunshine Week Press Conference
  • Adam Marshall - Reporter's Committee for Freedom of the Press
  • Focusing on the records that are supposed to be released in October
  • Judge Tunheim on the Moscow and Mexico City Assassination Records
  • The Significance of the Still Secret - Secret Service Threat Sheets
  • A full-court press by every agency to keep Oswald in Mexico City documents
  • Congressional Oversight Hearings are our next step
  • Chairman of the Committee, Utah Republican Jason Chaffetz
  • Bill is optimistic that this is our year

    Play Stuart Galloway   (15:25)   MP3 download



  • Dealey Plaza UK 2017 Seminar, Canterbury, Christchurch University April 29-30
  • By telephone Vince Palamara, Larry Hancock, Ed Ledoux
  • In person, Russell Kent, two films, The Searchers, A Coup In Camelot, Alaric Rosman
  • 33 pounds for the two days, with lunch, 75 pounds
  • Contact Stuart at stuart.galloway@ntlworld.com
  • The Dealey Plaza Echo

    Play Jim DiEugenio   (1:09:34)   MP3 download



  • kennedysandking.com, the trailer for the four-part JFK @ 100 slideshow
  • Trained to Kill: (Veciana / Harrison 2017)
            The Inside Story of CIA Plots against Castro, Kennedy, and Che
  • A review by Joseph E. Green, and a review by Arnaldo M. Fernandez
  • In The News: Men on the 6th floor by John Armstrong
  • John Barbour's new film opens in Los Angeles at the Music Hall on May 26th
  • The American Media & The 2nd Assassination of President John F. Kennedy
  • David Giglio interviews HSCA Researcher Dan Hardway
  • Listener letters: Alex Sill article on the 2016 U.S. presidential election
  • Voter supression and ballot banditry, no mandate, disillusionment with Democrats
  • Trump busted open the Rust Belt, a traditional Democratic domain
  • Clintonism, her candidacy was emblematic, she did not inspire enthusiasm
  • She won the popular vote, the Electoral College is a relic in our republic
  • Gerrymandering, Republicans draw election districts to negate Democratic votes
  • Obama did not build and grow the Democratic Party
  • Presidential elections with no coat tails, a failure
  • George W. Bush stole the 2000 election from Al Gore in Florida
  • Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election
  • Governor Jeb Bush had a plan to disenfranchise Black voters
  • Kris Kobach and the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program
  • There has been a gutting of the 1965 Voting Rights Act
  • The Citizens United decision, no restrictions on money in politics
  • A denuded Democratic National Committee focused only on the Presidency
  • Orders to Kill: (Pepper 1995), he mentions a Memphis godfather
  • Produce merchant Frank Liberto, connected to Jowers
  • Allard Lowenstein with William F. Buckley, Firing Line, April 11, 1975
  • Mae Brussell, William F. Buckley and CIA Family (01/29/1978)
  • Buckley wanted to remake the Republican Party into his image
  • In the 50s, it had wings to it, moderate, isolationist
  • Recruit young people, Young Americans For Freedom, brainwash them
  • Get the party into the mainstream, get them on TV, get them exposure
  • Marina Oswald, Lee, Cuba, and Mexico
  • She originally stated he did not go to Mexico City
  • She changed that story, Marina was under pressure of deportation
  • Mae Brussell, Dialogue: Conspiracy 75-02-03 (#182)
  • Warren Commission, Allen Dulles, and a book on Presidential assassins
  • The Assassins (Donovan 1955), (PT 109: (Donovan 1961))
  • Les Crane TV Transcription (Commission Document 1454)
  • Melvin Belli disparages Marguerite Oswald
  • Marguerite said Lee was an espionage agent for the United States
  • Why would Oliver Stone use Steve Rivele as a consultant?
  • He co-wrote the Nixon (1995) screenplay
  • Gonna be quite a while before Jim writes another book on the JFK case
  • Upcoming 50th anniversary of the King assassination
  • Len and Jeff Carter (BOR #830) are working on King and RFK
  • 50 Reasons for 50 Years..., high quality for free on YouTube
  • Otto Otepka (Chicago Tribune October 7, 1963)
  • Newsweek, December 2nd, 1963, the assassination issue
  • A clear reference to JFK's Vietnam withdrawal program
  • The State Department dismissed Otepka on a pretext
  • Impressed with Jim on BOR #826, researchers honor Kennedy
  • Why ink the deceased Oswald's hands to transfer prints to a rifle?
  • Funeral Director Paul J. Groody reported agents inked Oswald's hands
  • Pat Speer is trying to determine if prints can be transferred from a card
  • Donald Carpenter does not acknowledge email questions
  • Max Holland, presstitute, he'll write anything for money
  • Donald Trump, JFK, Oswald and the 2016 Presidential Election
  • Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA agent provocateur and FBI informant
  • Lee might be the source of two warnings to the FBI
  • Jim never came across Rafael Cruz's name



    Show #831
    Original airdate: April 20, 2017
    Guests: Bart Kamp / Max Good
    Topics: Lunch Room Encounter / The Paines


    Play Bart Kamp   (67:24)   MP3 download



  • Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunch Room Encounter
  • Winner of the Mary Ferrell & JFK Lancer New Frontier Award Nov. 2016
  • Bart saw a BBC documentary when he was 11, he was fascinated by the whole mystery
  • The first internet search Bart made was for Fletcher Prouty
  • He started focusing more, going deeper, he spent a year in Harold Weisberg's archives
  • His first project's scope was too wide, he focused in on the TSBD, a brilliant maze
  • There is a lot of contradiction, Prayer Man, Bill Kelly's thread
  • The Lunch Room Encounter, where was Oswald?
  • reopenkennedycase.org, prayer-man.com, dealeyplazauk.org.uk
  • Dealey Plaza UK 2017 Seminar, Canterbury, Christchurch University April 29-30
  • The truth is not in the Warren Report, a picture is painted
  • Baker's initial statement doesn't refer to the lunch room or the second floor
  • Baker's FBI statement, the Warren Report was already printed
  • Newspapers contradict the official story
  • Bart leans towards, Roger Craig's observation, Oswald and the Nash Rambler
  • Oswald was on the first floor, not on the sixth, not on the second either
  • Bart has written 18 chapters over 177 pages
  • Links, pictures, documents, floor plans
  • Motorcycle policeman Marion Baker and TSBD Superintendent Roy Truly
  • Baker did not dash into the building, he stood in front
  • In 1964 Roy Truly stated he talked to Howard Brennan
  • The Blacks (employees/witnesses) were treated really bad and they were scared
  • Eddie Piper, Troy West, discrepancies in their statements, Charles Givens
  • The actual encounter, look at the pictures, imagine Baker and Truly
  • The Secret Service, a lot of stories were invented
  • The Oswald Affair: (Sauvage 1966)
           An Examination of the Contradictions and Omissions of the Warren Report
  • Truly, "Baker was ahead of me," not between a policeman and a gunman
  • Seeing somebody behind that tiny little window of that closed door
  • Truly's testimony just rattles, he corners himself
  • The evolving up and down story of the Coke
  • Oswald walks through the office, down the steps, out the building
  • He allegedly encounters Mrs. Robert Reid, Geneva Hine contradicts her
  • Was Oswald Encountered Somewhere Else? The most important chapter
  • Oswald was stopped, but, he was stopped on the first floor
  • The TSBD had a class divide, laborers, office workers
  • Bart covers Oswald's interrogations, what did he say?
  • His legal rights were trampled on
  • The re-enactment didn't add up
  • Excerpts of this article at kennedysandking.com
  • (NOTE: Bart's article has many links, which are not duplicated here)

    Play Max Good   (30:16)   MP3 download



  • THE ASSASSINATION & MRS. PAINE (2017)
  • Max is a documentary filmmaker
  • The assassination is a fascinating topic
  • Max has made a film with Ruth Paine's cooperation
  • JFK and the Unspeakable: (James W. Douglass 2008)
           Why He Died and Why It Matters
  • Max has the interviews and principle photography
  • He needs to finalize editing and mastering
  • This project was Max's thesis film in school
  • His 20 minute film has grown longer, 60-90 minutes
  • jfkpaine.com, maxgoodfilm.com
  • Michael and Ruth Paine have been overlooked
  • She was asked over 5,000 questions by the WC
            03/12/64 Ruth Hyde Paine testimony
            03/12/64 Ruth Hyde Paine testimony (resumed)
            03/12/64 Ruth Hyde Paine testimony (resumed)
            06/24/64 Ruth Hyde Paine affidavit
            07/23/64 Ruth Hyde Paine testimony
  • Some of the most critical evidence was found by Ruth
  • 50 Reasons: Episode 19 - The Paines - Jim DiEugenio
  • 50 Reasons: Episode 31 - Evidence On Demand - Jim DiEugenio
  • The complex story of the Minox camera
  • Max kept an open mind, he is not an assassination expert
  • He sought interviewees on both sides of the debate
  • CIA assets Max Holland and Priscilla Johnson McMillan
  • Priscilla said that she felt Oswald was acting in Moscow
  • Max interviewed Ruth several times
  • Oswald the Patsy would be tied to the Babysitter Paines
  • Ruth's sister was a confirmed CIA employee
  • Help fund this film on KickStarter
           (This project will only be funded if it reaches
           its goal by Sat, April 22 2017 10:59 AM PDT)
  • This story with this central character could have a wide audience
  • Many people know almost nothing about his case
  • Just a few of these facts start to open their minds
  • Max continues to follow leads, the October document release



    Show #830
    Original airdate: April 13
    Guests: Jeff Carter / Greg Burnham
    Topics: Zapruder Film / First Vietnam Combat Troops


    Play Jeff Carter   (55:06)   MP3 download



  • kennedysandking.com
  • Jeff Carter's review (Part 1) (Part 2) of Alexandra Zapruder's,
  • Twenty-Six Seconds: A Personal History of the Zapruder Film (2016)
  • Theories that the Zapruder film has been altered
  • Jeff and Len produced the 2013 video series 50 Reasons For 50 Years
  • Episode 11 - Films of the Assassination - Robert Groden
  • Mr. Groden believes the three films in that episode are genuine
  • Many researchers have studied the film in detail and believe in alteration
  • Len sees a difference between simple editing and wholescale recreation
  • Jeff examined the claim of the use of an optical printer and matting
  • Jeff has film a school background and has used an Oxberry Optical Printer
  • Former Kodak employee Rollie Zavada was hired by the ARRB
  • Rollie's response to Doug Horne, ARRB Chief Analyst for Military Records
  • Jeff's rejects the Zapruder film as a creation of travelling mattes
  • He thinks the car indeed slows down in the film
  • It slows down to virtually a halt, very unprofessional driving
  • The question of individual frames being removed
  • An artifact of the mechanics of a spring driven camera
  • 18.3 frames a second, misunderstood, that is an average
  • Using that figure for timing is problematic
  • Jeff reviewed Doug Horne interviews of NPIC employees
  • Doug established that two separate NPIC studies were performed
  • Jeff thinks while not sinister, they pointed to conspiracy
  • Zapruder's book was not that interesting, possible alteration was
  • Discussions with Jim DiEugenio led to Jeff's review
  • Generally well written, access to internal TIME/LIFE documentation
  • Alexandra sets up a timeline of possession of the film
  • She dismisses Zapruder allegations, and defends the money
  • It should have been confiscated as evidence
  • A desire to sell the film, and to cooperate with an investigation
  • First $50,000 for print rights, then purchased for $150,000
  • Locked in a vault, not released to the public as a film
  • C.D. Jackson and TIME/LIFE were trusted entities
  • Alexandra believes the official story, not conversant or interested
  • She has a palpable annoyance with conspiracy theorists
  • Recent investigation in Hollywood may be stymied without the original
  • Len is open to differing impressions of various facts
  • Len thinks the government had access to alteration capabilities
  • Jeff wonders if Hawkeye Works could or would alter the film
  • Analysis of the film was a Secret Service production
  • They have the bullshit magic bullet and the jet effect
  • The book provides information for super keen Zapruder researchers
  • An early LIFE article discussed the film, an incorrect reading
  • NPIC Analysis of Zapruder Filming of JFK Assassination (1975)
  • CIA Addendum to Comments on the Zapruder Film (05/07/1975)
  • The notion there were three shots, was an immediate determination
  • Previous Jeff Carter appearance: BOR Show #802
  • Also,
  • 50 Reasons: Episode 12 - The Shot Sequence - Pat Speer
  • 50 Reasons: Episode 29 - The Media Convicts - Len Osanic
  • 50 Reasons: Episode 46 - The Media and the Assassination - Joseph McBride

    Play Greg Burnham   (1:01:38)   MP3 download



  • assassinationofjfk.net, LBJ’s War: Vietnam - 50 Years Ago This Day
  • Anniversaries spark interest, March 8, 1965, first combat troops
  • 18 months after the JFK assassination, a timeline of our involvement
  • The North Vietnamese ... continue Viet Cong terrorist activities
  • The Viet Cong were conflated with the North Vietnamese communists
  • Propaganda motivates Len and Greg to level the playing field
  • They deliberately misinform, agenda driven, 52 years later
  • Our founders, did they think the press was noncorruptable?
  • Greg lives ten minutes north of the Mexican border
  • Freeway illegal immigrant crossing signs, Watch Out!
  • NSAM 263, NSAM 273, Dien Bien Phu
  • JFK gave a speech, vehemently against involvement in Vietnam (1954)
  • A true civil war between North and South, a conflict on the border
  • The war was occurring way south, in the delta region
  • One Northern group were the communists, the other was the Catholic population
  • The U.S. transmigrated 1,100,000 Tonkinese Catholics to the delta
  • South Vietnam colluded with U.S. Intelligence to displace natives
  • The displaced became the Viet Cong, CIA installed Catholic Diem
  • Ho Chi Minh later supported the Viet Cong against western democracy
  • Who's the enemy? Whoever runs, otherwise you can't tell
  • The French created the Viet Minh, they were fiercely nationalistic
  • CIA created a communist Viet Cong insurgency in the South
  • Anti-American, anti-Diem, the enemy of my enemy is my friend
  • "Seven billion human beings ... most of them brown, yellow, or black"
  • History's gonna repeat itself, conflicts Trumped up out of nowhere
  • A child of the Cold War, the Soviet Union sought to undermine democracies
  • Policies change, needs change, a flux, the persistence of Russia remains
  • China has interest in a stable U.S., Russia has interest in being a player
  • The election was the Clinton Foundation versus the Cowboy
  • The same result was likely without any Russian interference
  • The Trans-Pacific Partnership, not allowed to see what it was
  • April 17th will be the 56th anniversary of the Bay of Pigs
  • Kennedy's presidency was short and packed with strife and hatred
  • The Kennedy end run around Taylor and McNamara, he wrote their report
  • History has proven out that his judgment on Vietnam was correct
  • "In Indochina we have allied ourselves to the desperate effort of a
             French regime to hang on to the remnants of empire ... defiance
             of innately nationalistic aims spells foredoomed failure"
  • Researchers Adele Edisen and Bernice Moore have both passed recently
  • Adele (BOR #812) worked on banking and on oil not being a fossil fuel
  • Bernice was an archivist, always generous with her research
  • assassinationofjfk.net's forum is not an echo chamber of horrors
  • Greg was the first guest on Black Op Radio on April 20, 2000
  • Previous Greg Burnham appearance: BOR Show #767



    Show #829
    Original airdate:
    Guests: William Pepper / Dave Ratcliffe / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: Martin Luthor King Assassination 49th Anniversary


    Play William Pepper   (34:04)   MP3 download



  • Martin Luther King's 'Beyond Vietnam' speech at Riverside Church (04/04/67)
  • The 49th anniversary of his assassination in Memphis was Tuesday
  • William's book has not been reviewed, The Plot to Kill King: (2016)
            The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.
  • William admired Fletcher Prouty, patriot and insider, The Secret Team: (Prouty 1973)
  • An ultimate tactic, assassination, in the 60's we saw four of those
  • Belief in lone nuts was convenient for the ruling classes
  • Back to Socrates, on to Caesar, people in the way, assassination takes over
  • Hoover would send money in brown bags through Clyde Tolson
  • J. Edgar Hoover was the major mistake Franklin Roosevelt made
  • The Hoovers, the Dulles', are only foot soldiers, the rulers make the decisions
  • A need for revolutionary change to establish a democratic republic
  • Essential for success, psychopathy, ego, lust for power, greed, anger, hatred
  • The withering and the rising, non-violent revolutionary change
  • Espouse the truth, the organization of people on a unified basis
  • We have an administration that will facilitate anger and radicalization
  • William is writing a book on the historic reality of assassinations
  • The murder of John Lennon, another one of a kind
  • Previous William Pepper appearance: BOR Show #818

    Play Dave Ratcliffe   (38:26)   MP3 download



  • 50 Years Ago: Riverside Church and MLK’s Final Year of Experiments With Truth
  • Dr. Martin Luther King, Dr. William Francis Pepper, and the half century from then to now
  • Martin Luther King's 'Beyond Vietnam' speech at Riverside Church (04/04/67)
  • "I ponder the madness of Vietnam ... living under the curse of war"
  • "Vietnamese independence in 1945 ... we refused to recognize them"
  • Relentless pursuit of global resources by U.S. corporate interests
  • The universality of human needs that are the same for all people
  • "King went beyond ... [and] became a national security threat" (James Douglass 04/2007)
  • William Pepper's article, The Children of Vietnam (Ramparts 01/1967)
  • Dr. King read that article, it moved him deeply, he met William
  • "showing him these photographs ... And he wept, he openly wept" (Pepper)
  • "that passion came out in his speech on April 4th, 1967 at Riverside Church"
  • The Poor People’s Campaign terrified Intelligence agencies
  • "King was creating a crisis of conscience, in our national security state"(Douglass)
  • In 1978 Ralph Abernathy asked William to speak with James Earl Ray in prison
  • Attorney Pepper began representing Ray in 1988
  • ‘Guilt or Innocence: The Trial of James Earl Ray’ (1993)
  • Army feared King, secretly watched him, by Stephen Tompkins (03/21/1993)
  • In 1917, spy target was black America (ibid)
  • Lt. Col. Ralph Van Deman created the Army’s black spy network in 1917
  • (Top spy feared current below surface unrest (ibid))
  • (Spying linked Carmichael to Chinese, Cuba (ibid))
  • Obama's Expanding Surveillance Universe, Alfred W. McCoy (2013)
  • Jeff Blankfort interview with Alfred W. McCoy (07/24/2013) (audio)
  • Army intelligence was focused on King and desperately searching for a way to stop him
  • Eight Operation Detachment Alpha 184 Team soldiers were also in Memphis
  • The entire assassination was photographed by two Army Intelligence operatives
  • A civil trail was held in Memphis from November 15 to December 8, 1999
  • Wendell Stacy and Jim Douglass (BOR #620 ) attended the entire trial
  • Dave's extensive page on the King v. Jowers trial at ratical.org
  • He had become a world-figure, the poor of this earth, at the grass roots
  • Going into that you begin to tread on toes, that’s dangerous ground
  • "You need a revolution every 20 years," said Thomas Jefferson
  • The history Dave writes and Len broadcasts is so important
  • Targeting of Dr. King by J. Edgar Hoover and COINTELPRO
  • As long as there is one to sing, one to dance, one to speak,
            and one to listen, life will go on - Oren Lyons
  • Previous Dave Ratcliffe appearance: BOR Show #818

    Play Jim DiEugenio   (1:03:49)   MP3 download



  • The King anniversary does not get the attention the JFK anniversary does
  • King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC)
  • President Kennedy was going to challenge southern states in court using Bobby
  • Candidate Kennedy called Coretta King when Martin was imprisoned in 1960
  • That act galvanized the Black vote for Kennedy and served as a signal
  • President Eisenhower's record on Civil Rights was nondistinctive
  • Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka had passed back in 1954
  • The Kennedys did not think they could get a Civil Rights Act through congress
  • Harris Wofford Civil Rights memo to Kennedy in December 1960
  • Black organizations began to get more invigorated, they now had somebody in the White House
  • Attorney General Kennedy joined a judges order to integrate New Orleans schools
  • One Black girl showed up to integrate a New Orleans elementary school
  • An escalation, President Kennedy, "Who's behind all this?" "You are"
  • Freedom Riders (1961), Birmingham Campaign (1963)
  • King came in to face Public Safety Commissioner Theophilus Eugene “Bull” Connor
  • The domestic news center of America, horrific images on national television
  • King had studied Gandhi's nonviolent tactics
  • Ole Miss, James Meredith, and Ross Barnett, Kennedy sent in the Army
  • Writing off state after state for reelection in 1964
  • March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, "I Have a Dream"
  • The Civil Rights Act of 1964, passed under Johnson
  • Selma to Montgomery March in 1965, King and Jim Clark
  • The Voting Rights Act of 1965
  • The South had been lost to the Democratic Party
  • King and Johnson got along for about a year
  • A King-Hoover-Johnson triangle, Hoover despised King
  • Hoover ramped up COINTELPRO against King and the SCLC
  • Hoover feared a Black Messiah, sent a tape and letter to King
  • With JFK killed, King was out there on his own
  • Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on the Mike Douglas Show (11/02/1967)
  • Vietnam was a mistake, who wants to die for a mistake?
  • King branched out to poverty and the Vietnam War
  • The U.S. dropped over 7.2 million tons of bombs on Indochina
  • Kissinger and Nixon reversed Kennedy foreign policy further
  • Kissinger and Nixon toppled Sihanouk in Cambodia
  • Lon Nol, Pol Pot, one of the great genocides in history
  • "I cannot get out of Vietnam, my friends are making too much money"
  • Mr. "X", First National Bank of Boston, Bell Helicopter, all these companies
  • King was correct, there was no moral reason to be in Vietnam
  • With the Tet Offensive it was all over, embassy attacked
  • By 1968, a whole circle of surveillance around King
  • Two figures, Percy Foreman and the specter of military Intelligence
  • Charlie and Grace Walden Stephens, reward and asylum
  • Guy Canipe and the pre-dropped patsy bundle
  • Arthur Haines was ready for a trial, he advised Ray to refuse a plea bargain
  • The rifle may never have been sight in since purchased
  • A famous picture for a French magazine, you had to be almost a ballet dancer
  • Ray made a mistake, he substituted Haines for Percy Foreman
  • Foreman never put on a defense, James wanted to take the stand, Hanes disagreed
  • William Bradford Huie, Foreman insisted, "James Earl Ray sent me a letter"
  • Foreman used every unethical trick in the book to get James Earl Ray to go along
  • Pressure to plead guilty? "Now, what did you say?", altered to "No. No one in any way"
  • From Jim's review of The Martin Luther King Congressional Cover-Up (Emison 2014)
  • Orders to Kill: The Truth Behind the Murder of Martin Luther King (William F. Pepper 1995)
  • Frame-Up: The Assassination of Martin Luther King (Weisberg 1970)
  • King - April 4, 1968, RFK - June 6, 1968, not noted at the time, the space of two months
  • The Assassinations: (DiEugenio / Pease 2012)
            Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcolm X
  • JFK's 100th birthday is coming up (May 29, 1917)
  • kennedysandking.com and Black Op Radio - this is not fake news
  • James Earl Ray was denied medical help in prison



    Show #828
    Original airdate: March 30, 2017
    Guests: William Blum / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: CIA and Russia


    Play William Blum   (39:38)   MP3 download



  • Killing Hope: (2003)
            U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions Since World War II
  • Rogue State: (2000)
            A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
  • America's Deadliest Export: (2013)
            Democracy - The Truth about US Foreign Policy and Everything Else
  • williamblum.org -The Anti-Empire Report
  • The Anti-Empire Report - Issue #149 (03/07/2017)
  • The United States and the Russian devil: 1917-2017
  • “There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers.
            You think our country is so innocent?”
  • Unusual, U.S. foreign policy is really sacrosanct
  • American Exceptionalism, in our overthrowing of other countries
  • CIA engage in things we accuse the KGB of doing
  • Nasty foreign policy, what we did in Panama in 1989
  • Operation Just (Be)Cause, never mentioned, slight understanding
  • The worst lies are those of omission
  • The Invasion of Vietnam, that phrase is never used
  • Attempts to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments
  • Attempts to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders
  • Seattle, Montreal, camouflaged and masked provocateurs
  • The President's appointments, one anti-Russian after another
  • The end of the Soviet Union, Yeltsin, oligarch commandeering
  • Putin changed that situation, not sure he's a dictator
  • Cold War II, charges without evidence, accepted as fact
  • Obama was not good with whistleblowers
  • We punish the poor and the Blacks, not the military or executives
  • William is not very politically correct
  • Taking to task Islamic terrorists, blaming their being Islamic
  • Warning! What follows is very politically incorrect (07/00/2016)
  • The President has not lived up to his talk
  • Shocking, adding $54 billion to the Pentagon budget
  • The money comes from the poor, medical care, education
  • We've bombed Muslims for many years, well documented
  • No excuse for their choice of retaliation, beheadings, etc.
  • How do they know martyrs go to Paradise?
  • Police Provocateurs stopped by union leader at anti SPP protest
  • The Toronto G20 Riot Fraud Undercover Police engaged in Provocation
  • Previous William Blum appearance: BOR Show #680

    Play Jim DiEugenio   (1:29:36)   MP3 download



  • Sherry Fiester Cancer Fund Go Fund Me page
  • Special double Time issue on JFK's hundredth birthday (May 29, 1917)
  • kennedysandking.com is working on JFK at 100
  • Legendary banker David Rockefeller dies at 101 (Reuters, AP)
  • Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency (Gibson 1994) (BOR #3)
  • The Power Elite (Mills 1956)
  • JFK was not a part of the Eastern Establishment club
  • He never joined the Council on Foreign Relations or any secret societies
  • David Rockefeller was the spokesman for the establishment
  • The accumulation of wealth in the Gilded Age, 1890-1910
  • John D. Rockefeller Sr., the first billionaire in the United States
  • Standard Oil, in 1913, worth 20 billion dollars today
  • Chase Manhattan, Exxon, and Chevron
  • John D. Rockefeller Jr. had five sons
  • South America, Africa, Indochina, the second period of colonization
  • October 1963, JFK did not discuss a coup in Brazil with David
  • In December, Johnson did, he ok'd it, CIA, John J. McCloy
  • July 6, 1962 letter to David Rockefeller on the Balance of Payments Question
  • The Rockefeller family has the most shares in the Federal Reserve Bank
  • Greg Poulgrain (BOR #821), Indonesia, Freeport Sulpher
  • Indonesia was the biggest diamond in the whole broach
  • Rockefeller and Morgan, pushing for globalization
  • Breakdown trade barriers, an international economy
  • Kennedy did not agree, House, Senate, Presidency
  • David Rockefeller achieved it with Bill Clinton and NAFTA
  • The Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group
  • In the 70's William Bundy was Secretary General of the Bilderberg Group
  • Here comes David, hide the cigarettes and the booze!
  • Are going to have a less class and race conscious society?
  • Jeff Carter (BOR #661) on Alexandra Zapruder, Part 2
  • Max Holland and Donald Carpenter vs. Jim Garrison and the ARRB
  • Man of a Million Fragments: The True Story of Clay Shaw (Carpenter 2013)
  • Early on Jim concentrated on New Orleans and Jim Garrison
  • A lot of research, trips, interviews, document repositories
  • Clinton/Jackson, summer of 1963, Oswald, Ferrie, Shaw
  • Max Holland posted an excerpt of Carpenter on his web site
  • Who the hell is Max Holland? In 1994 he wrote in the Wilson Quarterly
  • Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (Scott 1993)
  • Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK (rensoP)
  • Who Shot JFK: A Guide to the Major Conspiracy Theories (Callahan 1993)
  • He liked Posner, not the other two, he really went after Scott
  • He became a reporter for The Nation, on the ARRB and the assassination
  • The 2000 Bush/Gore election and 9/11 revitalized the Left
  • RFK in 1968 was advised by William vanden Heuvel
  • Gene Case raised a ruckus, Victor Navasky, editor of The Nation
  • Case, Aguilar, Armstrong, Cranor, it didn't work
  • Letters to The Nation on Holland, Mark Lane, Joan Mellen, Jim Lesar
  • Oliver Stone (BOR #664) and Jeffery Sklar (BOR #38) wrote an open letter
  • On the forums nobody wants to talk about control of the media
  • Outside of Black Op Radio and Kennedys and King we don't have platforms
  • He never wrote about the Lopez-Hardway Report, Gunn on the autopsy evidence
  • Jim tried to cut off his subscription to Probe, he used our research
  • 2004 AARC Conference, The Warren Report and Its Legacy
  • Holland spoke about his article published in CIA's Studies in Intelligence
  • Jim is pretty sure he is on their advisory board
  • Pittsburgh 2013, 490 to 2, Holland and McAdams on the side, ostracized
  • A story about the KGB, Clay Shaw, and Permindex
  • Shaw wrote of Permindex in his Who's Who entry
  • Leak: Why Mark Felt Became Deep Throat (Holland 2008)
  • The Strong Man: John Mitchell and the Secrets of Watergate (Rosen 2008)
  • In Nixon's Web: A Year in the Crosshairs of Watergate (Gray 2008)
  • Holland's was the worst, Gray's is the best
  • Patrick Gray wrote that Deep Throat was a composite
  • National Geographic, JFK: The Lost Bullet (2011), a review
  • You can't rapid fire the Mannlicher-Carcano
  • Garrison was the first official to break with the gospel of the WC
  • He discovered Ferrie knew Oswald, and much more
  • A whole world the Warren Commission didn't come close to
  • He was attacked, a planned assault
  • Blocking subpoenas, bugging his house, following him
  • The Kennedy assassination began to dispel the FBI's reputation
  • William Turner was an FBI Agent, electronic surveillance, black bag jobs
  • Hoover's F.B.I.: The Men and the Myth (Turner 1970)
  • Three steps, collect leads, follow leads to the end, collate the information
  • Step two had not been done, leads not followed to their conclusions
  • CIA put together a Garrison Group, Ray Rocca was there
  • Clay Shaw's lawyer, Irvin Dymond, lied to Jim, they were getting tons of help
  • They set up a cleared attorneys panel in New Orleans
  • ARRB declassification (BOR #827) shed so much light on what went on in New Orleans
  • Let Justice Be Done: New Light on the Jim Garrison Investigation (Davy 1999) (BOR #4)
  • A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination (Mellen 2005) (BOR #649)
  • Jim had to re-write Destiny Betrayed: (1992/2013) because of all the new documents
  • Richard Helms (BOR #726) and CIA acted on Garrison before, during, and after the trial
  • Get Garrison out of office and destroy the evidence he had
  • Carpenter's book is right up Holland's alley, CPA, novelist, then a biography of Clay Shaw
  • Clay Shaw was aide-de-camp to General Charles Thrasher in WWII, war crimes
  • Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners
            at the Hands of the French and Americans after World War II (Bacque 1989)
  • The Holland/Carpenter time machine back to 1969
  • DA Garrison questioned David Ferrie on 11/25/1963, ice skating and goose hunting
  • He turned Ferrie over to the FBI, where he was allowed to lie his head off
  • Galveston is about 35 miles south of Houston, on the coast
  • You could easily get someone out of the country by the Gulf of Mexico
  • Ferrie led to Sergio Arcacha-Smith, Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, David Atlee Phillips
  • Ferrie and Cuban exiles at Belle Chasse training camp, Phillips reported on that site
  • Bob Tanenbaum told Jim he saw a film with Oswald, Bannister, and Phillips
  • Lawyer Dean Andrews, Clay Bertrand called and asked him to defend Oswald
  • Who was Bertrand? Andrews wasn't saying
  • Garrison spent a period of months trying to find out who Bertrand was
  • At least 12 people identified Bertrand as Clay Shaw, the FBI knew he was
  • Oswald in New Orleans: A Case for Conspiracy with the CIA (Weisberg 1967)
  • Weisberg befriended Andrews, Dean admitted to Harold that Shaw was Bertrand
  • There never really was a real investigation
  • Bernardo De Torres, CIA agent, infiltrated Garrison’s office
  • Bill Boxley, former CIA agent, sabotaged Garrison’s investigation
  • James Angleton and Farewell America: The Plot to Kill JFK (Hepburn 1968)
  • Weisberg, it was a hoax, supervised by French SDECE agent Philippe de Vosjoli
  • Garrison hid Clyde Johnson, Johnson was beaten, hospitalized, and could not testify
  • Despite several covert operations, Shaw had to lie his head off on the stand
  • Shaw had a CIA covert security clearance for project QK/ENCHANT
  • Joan Mellon (BOR #649), CIA documents. Shaw was a highly-paid contract agent
  • Carpenter does not use any ARRB declassified documents
  • Previous Jim DiEugenio appearance: BOR Show #826



    Show #827
    Original airdate: March 21, 2017
    Guests: CAPA News Conference
    Topics: JFK at 100, State Of The Records


    Play CAPA News Conference   (3:48:58)   MP3 download



  • JFK at 100: State of the Records (The National Press Club)
  • CAPA Chairman Cyril Wecht (BOR #782) introduces Judge John Tunheim, capa-hq.com
  • Former ARRB Chairman Tunheim delivers keynote address at the March 16
            National Press Club Forum Previewing Historic 2017 JFK Records Release
  • The ARRB was put to together by an Act of Congress
  • The Board was confirmed in the Spring of 1994
  • (ARRB Board Meeting, Washington DC, 12 Apr 1994)
  • The Board broadened the definition on an assassination record
  • There was a presumption of disclosure for assassination records
  • Agencies had to present clear and convincing evidence to protect a record
  • Postponements included, Intelligence activities, law enforcement,
            protection of the President, foreign relations, personal privacy
  • Fall of 1994 hired Executive Director, David Marwell
  • The review process was largely word by word
  • $11 or $12 million a year, could have used two or three more years
  • Decisions were made on over 27,000 documents, redactions
  • Core documents, centrally related, line by line, word by word
  • Prohibited by law from releasing Oswald's tax records
  • The Lopez Report was released in an unredacted form
  • Developed a faster track process, 35,000 agency consent releases
  • Rooms full of CIA segregated files, the Board took control of them
  • Files Not Believed Relevant (NBRs), that is most of the group still to be released
  • Interesting stuff, some may be relevant, other postponements were redactions
  • Obstacles, the FBI appealed the first 570 decisions to the President
  • President Clinton did not overturn the Board once
  • Sought private, State, and other organizations records
  • There was probably some unlawful withholding of records by agencies
  • The FBI was organized, the Secret Service was the most difficult
  • Records may have been destroyed in the 30 years, boxes in basements
  • Redaction catgories, predicting when someone would no longer be alive
            FBI informants, names of Intelligence agents, names of NSA staff,
            names of CIA sources, CIA pseudonyms, CIA cryptonyms, CIA location digraphs,
            surveillance methods, personal privacy, foreign government cooperation
  • J. Edgar Hoover memo, Lee Harvey Oswald Internal Security, June 3, 1960
  • Judge Tunheim no longer has authority, he hopes for a full release
  • Files which are still not in the collection:
  • The Oswald KGB file in Minsk, five feet high, Norman Mailer bought some of them
  • A huge KGB record cache in Moscow, they commenced an intensive investigation
  • Jack Ruby Dallas prosecution files, discovered in a closet in the last year
  • George Joannides, we were told he was just a liaison, kind of a flunky
  • Agencies have a continuing responsibility under the law to disclose
  • Stuff from 50 years ago, not that important to keep protecting it
  • A full court press not to release stuff related to Mexico City
  • The rationale to protect that is no longer rational
  • Questions: This President? Not sure they're aware, someone should be
  • Stonewalling? Backed down when declassification was assured
  • Needle in a haystack? Something hard to find in 40,000 records
  • Operational CIA files? Certain parts of those files were released
  • Letter from John McCone? The judge has not seen the letter
  • Cyril Wecht introduces Dr. John Newman, Jefferson Morley, James Lezar
  • Dr. John Newman, a needle in a haystack, Emilio Americo Rodriguez
  • Redacted 500 times, unredacted once, cryptograms and pseudonyms
  • Dr. Newman has broken over 200 himself, to understand the story
  • CIA and FBI resisted and subverted investigations by government officials
  • These files belong to us, many files no longer exist in the Archives
  • Eisenhower instructed subordinates to murder Lumumba, Trujillo, and Castro
  • Questions: Eisenhower Library? In Abilene
  • Air Force One tapes, ONI defector records? They were not in the collection
  • Jefferson Morley, the topic of the JFK assassination was polarizing
  • We don't know exactly what is in there, what are we going to find?
  • We know an incredible amount from ARRB previously released records
  • CIA knowledge of Oswald before the assassination, a lie
  • Oswald was watched closely from the time of his defection
  • His CIA file was handled in an unusual way, held by James Angleton's CI staff
  • Expect release of the CIA interrogation of KGB agent Yuri Yosenko, 2,000 pages
  • CIA operational files, Bill Harvey, David Phillips, George Joannides, Anne Goodpasture
  • Questions: Helms' lies? It was the Cold War, clandestine work from conception to eternity
  • Call the ARRB back? Jefferson calls for an independent board
  • Why conspiracy? We can't decide until we have all the records
  • James Lesar (BOR #565), Where do we go from here?
  • Why did President Obama not help release these records?
  • CIA is reluctant to release over 3,000 entirely withheld documents
  • At present FOIA is more effective than the JFK Act
  • A JFK Act provision provides for oversight by Congress
  • Joannides was undercover and subverted the HSCA
  • September 25, 1963, Desmond Fitzgerald briefing on the July 20 Hitler plot
  • Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist since 1962, about 20,000 autopsies
  • The President at Parkland Hospital, a major trauma center
  • Dr. Kemp Clark, Dr. McClelland, they had no dog in that race
  • They described the wounds, the occipital area, damage to the cerebellum
  • Humes and Boswell had never done a single gunshot wound autopsy
  • This was going to be a controlled military operation
  • Now the cerebellum is intact, no damage in the occipital area
  • They missed the bullet wound in the front of the neck
  • The Zapruder film, the Mannlicher-Carcano, now it doesn't work
  • Cyril endorsed Senator Arlen Specter, but, not for the Magic Bullet Theory
  • Cyril demonstrates the impossible bullet path on a volunteer
  • Dr. Wecht wrote a dissent on the HSCA Medical Panel report
  • Comment: Dr. Humes deposition, he obviously lied
  • Comment: Tom Robinson, Gawler's Funeral Home, sealed with a patch
  • Question: Alteration of the body? Yes, Lifton
  • The missing brain (Mystery Cloaks Fate of Brain of Kennedy - NYT 8/27/72)
  • Larry Schnapf, Co-chair of CAPA Legal Committee
  • The Warren Commission was the original fake news with alternative facts
  • Conclusions based on evidence not admissible in a court of law,
            overstated, cherry-picked, exaggerated, failed to disclose, failed to pursue leads,
            bullied witnesses, changed testimony, declined to call witnesses, hid behind secrecy
  • Today as in 1963 the press is in an elite bubble, group-think
  • You might argue for a cover-up in 1963, but, not 50 years later
  • The story in not Cruz's father, we don't know who the people around Oswald are
  • Trying to prevent creating government records, not to be subject to FOIA
  • The FBI was in charge of the investigation, it was clearly politicized
  • Trump is more hostile to the National Security apparatus than Kennedy or Nixon
  • CAPA mock trial in Houston in November, there have already been four mock trials
  • Marina Oswald, sympathetic, a classic Sophie's Choice
  • If successful in the mock trial, bring a real Texas Court of Inquiry
  • Jim Lesar, has handled over 200 Freedom Of Information Act cases
  • A long time to put the puzzle together because of the huge release of documents
  • AARC 2014 Conference Video Archive
  • Antonio Veciana – Admissions and Revelations, David Phillips knew Lee Oswald
  • Dan Hardway and Edwin Lopez – The HSCA and the CIA: The View from the Trenches
  • Prof. G. Robert Blakey – The HSCA and the CIA: The View from the Top
  • Operation Northwoods, false flag operations against Americans
  • Congress had promised fast disclosure, instead, delay after delay after delay
  • The Morley lawsuit for CIA's George Joannides records
  • 295 pages of Joannides' Operational records are still withheld
  • Carl Oglesby v. Department of Army 1987 FOIA suit, in it's 29th year
  • The Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt, by Carl Oglesby, a deal with Reinhard Gehlen
  • Nazi assassin Werner von Alvensleben was in Dallas, Texas in late 1963
  • This is not just history, this is our future, Sunshine Week, open government
  • Andrew Kreig, National Security Archive, files FOIA requests
  • The government can classify a ham sandwich, declassification can confuse the public
  • 3,603 records held in full, 41,000 records held in part, not pages - records
  • The Archives will release unless stopped by the President
  • Adam Marshall, FOIA lawyer assisting reporters
  • The state of FOIA is terrible, Obama denied more records than ever before
  • AG Jeff Sessions is not a fan of FOIA, no memo from him yet
  • Government must describe how release of a record would cause harm
  • The Executive branch is not interested in transparency, kicking and screaming
  • FOIA remains a valuable if messy tool
  • Randy Benson, filmmaker, The Searchers (BOR ##809)
  • Randy received great welcome from JFK researchers
  • Randy used a lot of archival film, problems getting access to footage
  • 10 seconds from the Today show, $10 a second, for the whole five minutes
  • Use of the Zapruder film has been difficult, the Sixth Floor
  • Oh, Joannides will help you, they never said he was a major player
  • Ralph Nader's home town requires students to file FOIA requests
  • Question: How do networks use other networks clips? They work together
  • The Review Board expropriated the Zapruder film, the Sixth Floor claims the copyright
  • FOIA courts tend to defer to agency expertise
  • Robert Groden showed Dick Gregory him the Zapruder film
  • Gregory was excited, he knew Geraldo Rivera, ABC said, No, it's copyrighted
  • Question: How many shots? We can account for four
  • Destroy the Single Bullet Theory, you have more than one shooter, a conspiracy
  • No Conspiracy, But-- Two Assassins, Perhaps?, NYT 09/11/66
  • Question: What can we do before the release? Write about this
  • It is unlikely for CIA and the FBI to forget to argue their case
  • The President can issue an Executive Order to release everything
  • Question: Are their friends we can pressure, to pressure the White House?
  • What does Trump think about the JFK case? A narrow circle of people he listens to
  • Bottom up, link to CAPA on your social media
  • This may not be the end, this may not be the beginning of the end,
            but, it may be the end of the beginning
  • National Archive JFK Assassination Records FAQ







    Show #826
    Original airdate: March 16, 2017
    Guests: Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: JFK Assassination Research


    Play Jim DiEugenio   (1:17:53)   MP3 download



  • Judge John Tunheim to speak in D.C. on closure of the ARRB Act
  • Jim's estimation of the ARRB has declined, Probe covered them
  • A barely adequate job, undestaffed, under budgeted, not enough time
  • Certain agencies were not excited about giving up certain records
  • Secret Service records were destroyed after passage of the law
  • The Railroading of LCDR Terri Pike, by Bill Kelly (BOR #550, #617)
  • Why couldn't the ARRB find the complete Air Force One radio tapes?
  • General LeMay, out of the country until it was safe to come back in
  • Congress never does get to the bottom, an apology waiting to happen
  • ARRB Chief Counsel Jeremy Gunn did a pretty good job
  • The Board members were not well informed about the Kennedy Assassination
  • Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: (Horne 2009) (BOR #452)
            The U.S. Government's Final Attempt to Reconcile the
            Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK
  • Jim's review of Horne's book, what the working morale was
  • We didn't even have a picture of Kennedy in the foyer
  • Marina Oswald Porter on Oprah, November 22, 1996
  • The teacher in Jim would give the ARRB a grade of C, not a strong C
  • Nothing declassified changed the calculus of the Warren Commission verdict
  • They should not have been saying that, they weren't reading the stuff
  • What about the Lopez Report and the testimony of John Stringer? (audio)
  • BOR Show #824, Schrade / Pease / DiEugenio, Allard Lowenstein quote:
  • "Robert Kennedy’s death, like the President’s, was mourned as an extension of
            the evils of senseless violence; events moved on, and the profound alterations
            that these deaths ... brought in the equation of power in America was perceived
            as random ... What is odd is not that some people thought it was all random, but
            hat so many intelligent people refused to believe that it might be anything else.
            Nothing can measure more graphically how limited was the general understanding
            of what is possible in America."
  • "the profound alterations that these deaths ... brought in
            the equation of power in America was perceived as random
    "
  • An understatement, what the hell happened? Who benefits? It wasn't us!
  • Allen Dulles said, "The American people don’t read"
  • The absolute absurdity of the JFK and RFK cases
  • An official total of 11 shots, with five Magic Bullets
  • Forced to accept absurdities, the result is tragedy - Mark Lane
  • How CBS News Aided the JFK Cover-up, by Jim (04/22/2016)
  • Roger Feinman uncovered documents as an employee of CBS
  • The 1967 and 1975 CBS Assassination programs were rigged
  • Randy Benson (BOR #809), The Searchers, multi-disc interview set
  • Josiah Thompson said Roger uncovered a memo, trying to duplicate Oswald's feat
  • The memo said in 1/3 of the cases the gun jammed or misfired
  • Josiah told Jim that Bob Richter (CBS) said actually they couldn't hit the time limit
  • Why CBS Covered Up the JFK Assassination, by Jim (04/07/2016)
  • It was a top-down operation ordered by CBS president Dick Salant
  • Salant left a message for Josiah, saying they proved it
  • kennedysandking.com, The FBI's Fib about the Mannlicher Carcano (Cranor 1995)
  • Fixing data to fit desired results is the way hierarchies work
  • From an Office Building with a High-Powered Rifle: (Adams 2012)
            One FBI Agent's View of the JFK Assassination
  • He was transferred to Dallas in June, 1964, he screened the Zapruder film
  • He was hit from the front, we know that, that's not what headquarters wants
  • Jim Garrison gave up being Senator, Governor, to pursue the JFK case
  • No one to call them out on the way system works
  • Jim saw The Parallax View in the theater (BOR #305), That's America...
  • If you can kill the President in broad daylight, what can't you get away with?
  • Listener Letters: Dan Hardway (BOR #822), there's treason in this case
  • The HSCA were not prosecutors, they did have subpoena and immunity powers
  • Danny and Eddie could not get a vote on perjury for Phillips and Goodpasture
  • It's difficult to separate CIA from CIA funded Cubans, Alpha 66 and the DRE
  • The Deep State, the National Insecurity State is split
  • Anna Marie Kuhns-Walko, the picture of Oswald on the embankment?
  • Jim had the photo, he sold them, he does not have that collection anymore
  • Greg Poulgrain (BOR #821), the film The Act of Killing (2012 documentary)
  • Sherry Fiester Cancer Fund Go Fund Me page



    Show #825
    Original airdate: March 9, 2017
    Guests: Col. Fletcher Prouty / Doug Valentine
    Topics: CIA and Edward Lansdale


    Play Col. Fletcher Prouty with Sean Mackenzie   (59:18)   MP3 download



  • The following is from a 1992 interview at the National Press Club
  • CIA involvement in the deaths of RFK and Martin Luther King?
  • Nobody could answer those questions honestly
  • The significant involvement is the suppression of normal court procedures
  • The power that can keep the State of Texas from carrying out the law
  • Wagoner Carr, J. Edgar Hoover, the Warren Commission
  • Fletcher travelled to another country to talk with a person
  • This person was eight or 10 inches behind Bobby Kennedy
  • A gun went off in this person's right ear
  • Castro, Khrushchev, the Mafia, they don't control Texas
  • Is the Rockefeller organization really the black hats?
  • Old John D., sent scientists to Geneva, oil was organic matter
  • (Congrès de nomenclature Chimique de Genève, 1892)
  • (Geneva Nomenclature Congress of 1892)
  • This sort of proved that oil was in short supply, with intrinsic value
  • The breakdown of Standard Oil (May 15, 1911) was paper work
  • The amount of money they control, they're gonna have a say
  • Beef cattle, dairy, the Rockefellers have the American Breeders Service
  • Milk production, 10,000 quarts, up to 40,000
  • Oil did not come from the decomposition of formerly living matter
  • An ingredient of the Earth just like, rock or water
  • Rockefeller money moved in to Japan to rebuild the economy
  • The Rockefellers pull strings, make plans, control things
  • Why come forward with this confirmation?
  • High Treason: (Livingstone / Groden / Prouty 1989)
            The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy : What Really Happened
  • A discussion with Livingston about Kennedy's Vietnam commitment of 16,000
  • NSAM 263 was to build down, NSAM 273 was to build up
  • Fletcher's candor versus others who have kept their mouth shut
  • If one doesn't choose to write about what he did ...
  • A lot of what Fletcher did was to correct things he read
  • The Secret Team and the Games They Play, The Washington Monthly (05/1970)
  • The Secret Team: (Prouty 1973)
            The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World
  • Fletcher considered the book an autobiography
  • Philip Agee probably went to Switzerland with a ticket bought by CIA
  • Ellsberg, Les Gelb, the Pentagon Papers, pro-Agency
  • The CIA and Decision-Making (Cooper 01/1972), pure propaganda
  • Laurence Oliphant (1829-1888), Turkey, British Society of Psychical Research
  • Fletcher taught at Yale, Skull and Bones, George HW Bush, Bill Buckley
  • ONI is itself, not Navy really, the most powerful intelligence organization
  • OSS was under the JCS, not Intelligence, operational
  • Truman felt Intelligence was not coordinated, he abolished OSS
  • They preserved OPC, agents you just can't cut off, under Frank Wisner
  • 1947 National Security Act, Department of Defense, National Security Council
  • CIA, the only operational word - coordination, not collection
  • Walter Bedell Smith, Moscow Ambassador, made head of CIA
  • The Dulles–Jackson–Correa Report, January 1, 1949
  • The brothers Dulles and the World Council of Churches
  • The brothers Dulles and Sullivan and Cromwell
  • Enormous business contacts in pre-war Germany
  • In 1944, Fletcher flew to Syria to pick up 750 Allied prisoners of war
  • There were German and Romanian Nazis with them, escorted by Frank Wisner
  • That was the first act of the Cold War, against our Russian ally
  • Iron Curtain, Count Lutz Schwerin von Krosigk speech (05/03/45)
  • Winston Churchill "The Sinews of Peace" speech, Fulton, Missouri (03/05/46)
  • Most writers write truth, it's the machine that won't take the truth
  • Smith, Wisner, Dulles, ignored the law, made CIA into an operational organization
  • Fletcher spent 10 interesting years in the banking business
  • American Bankers Association's Committee on Automation Planning and Technology
  • Banks hold a leadership role in American society and this world
  • NSC knows you made that call and who you called
  • A word they don't understand - illegal
  • NSA listens, they don't 'know', they record, they sort it out later by desire
  • The Stanford Research Institute (SRI), ran the Energy Crisis
  • Center for Strategic and International Studies, the propaganda work
  • Fletcher does not find MJ-12 (Majestic 12) credible, the material doesn't stand up
  • Report from Iron Mountain: On the Possibility and Desirability of Peace (Lewin 1967)
  • It's a novel, he made it up, well that's what he says
  • The statements he has in it, I heard in the Pentagon almost daily
  • The substance is true, he didn't want to have to explain who was involved
  • Leonard Lewin on his book, New York Times Book Review, March 19, 1972
  • Operation Zapata: (Aguilar 1981)
            The "Ultrasensitive" Report and Testimony of the Board of Inquiry on the Bay of Pigs
  • A report written by General Maxwell Taylor to President Kennedy
  • The Cuba Study Group met down the hall from my office
  • The Iron Mountain subject matter is incomparable
  • If you have a way of getting rid of people, you at least have got to preserve the 144,000

    Play Doug Valentine   (1:01:19)   MP3 download



  • Vietnam was CIA from the start, 1954-1964
  • The military was unprepared to fight brush-fire wars
  • Regular U.S. military was still in Europe
  • CIA absorbed the people and methodology of the OSS
  • Guerilla and covert wars, Army Special Forces
  • General Erskine, Office of Special Operations, (OSO)
  • The liaison between CIA and the military
  • U.S. war of suppression in the Philippines (1899 – 1902)
  • The OSO provides CIA with personnel, planes, material
  • Military in civilian clothes, civilians with military rank
  • The OSS fought behind enemy lines with partisans
  • They're cutthroats, they like this kind of work
  • Guerilla war, there are no rules, anything goes
  • You have to be able to torture and kill civilians
  • Throwing people out of a helicopter is the least of it
  • Atrocity and crime on an industrial scale
  • Zionists poured into Palestine, guerilla warfare
  • Communists want to take the land back
  • Vietnam, ideological civilian warfare
  • CIA managing police operations, root out the enemy
  • Lansdale becomes the guru
  • Charles Bohannon, Napoleon Valeriano
  • Counterguerrilla Operations: The Phillippine Experience (1962)
  • Lansdale becomes an Air Force colonel
  • An ethic of war crimes as policy
  • The (Hukbalahap) Huk Rebellion, United Fruit, Allen Dulles
  • Communists were the good guys in the Philippines
  • Rampant fascist capitalism turns people into commodities
  • Lansdale put down the Huk Rebellion (1946–54)
  • Paramilitary police work, quasi-military police units
  • Dress up like Huks, wipe out neutral villages
  • Project a boy scout propaganda image back home
  • The Dulles brothers loved Lansdale
  • He packaged lies, bullshit, that was what his genius was
  • Magsaysay gave Ford and Westinghouse franchises
  • CIA and the military, most important to show success
  • Operation Mongoose, Task Force W, second coming of Christ
  • Overthrowing Guatemala not for democracy, for United Fruit
  • "For Democracy" is all a lie, colonial United States
  • Fletcher Prouty explained all this
  • CIA in Saigon, C-4 explosives, kill dozens, blame communists
  • Freedom Company and Operation Brotherhood
  • WWII, OSS, the Psychological Warfare Branch of the U.S. Army
  • Anthropologists, sociologists, psychologists
  • The world is a laboratory for these mad scientists
  • Church Committee Interim Report, Operation Mongoose
  • Lansdale's programs failed, the communists won
  • Ed Murphy worked in Phoenix in Vietnam
  • Military Intelligence in D.C, identify protest leaders
  • Go in and start bonfires and fights
  • U.S. citizens are not considered as different from peasants
  • You're just a commodity to be exploited for your labor
  • Kennedy was killed, Civil Rights, you're a communist
  • Making war has become America's business
  • CIA, military, arms industry, politicians, indistinguishable
  • Doug corresponded with Lansdale, they never met
  • www.douglasvalentine.com
  • The CIA As Organized Crime: (Valentine 2016)
            How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World
  • Previous Doug Valentine appearance: BOR Show #820

    Play Col. Fletcher Prouty with Karl Loren   (32:46)   MP3 download



  • The following is from the June 7, 1988 Karl Loren Live talk radio show
  • A Tale Of Unspeakable Evil In Honduras (Mann 06/08/1988)
  • Ines Murillo, survived torture, Honduran government death squads
  • U.S. and CIA up to its neck in unspeakable evil, Florencio Caballero
  • CIA, taught him, "physical torture ... psychological methods"
  • Trained in assaults, by Americans, Chileans, and Argentines
  • Testifying To Torture (LeMoyne 06/05/1988)
  • Murillo, beaten, electrically shocked, burned, starved, exposed,
            threatened, stripped naked and sexually molested for 80 days
  • Vietnam and the Phoenix Program, no trials, no rights
  • NSC 5412 National Security Council Directive on Covert Operations
  • There is no law on covert operations, NSC 5412, March 15, 1954
  • "overt foreign activities ... supplemented by covert operations"
  • "Create and exploit troublesome problems for International Communism"
  • "Counter any threat ... in a free world country"
  • Two months after the establishment of the Saigon Military Mission
  • "covert operations shall be ... so planned and executed that any,
            U.S. Government responsibility for them is not evident"
  • "propaganda; economic warfare; sabotage, deception plans and operations"
  • The U.S. Government and the Vietnam War:
            Executive and Legislative Roles and Relationships, Part II: 1961-1964
            Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate (April 1984)
  • A place in Virginia called "the Farm" (RTU-11), sabotage training
  • Congress was stunned, Psychological Operations In Guerrilla Warfare
  • "professional criminals will be hired to carry out specific selected jobs"
  • That's how President Kennedy was killed
  • "bring about uprisings or shootings, ... cause the death of ... martyrs"
  • "The practice of disappearing people ... secretly executing people
            without trial ... Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Brazil, Bolivia,
            Peru, Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Mexico
            have secretly killed as many as 100,000 of their people" (LeMoyne)
  • Former Amb. to Honduras, John Negroponte, asst. for national security affairs
  • "CIA ... Argentine Army officers ... train the contras and Honduran intelligence"
  • General Haig was close to the Argentinians
  • "We ... interrogated them, then gave them to a death squad to kill"
  • "1974 ... Congress ... allowed CIA to maintain contacts with police forces"
  • We opened the Inter-American Police Academy in Panama (1962-1964)
  • Prohibition against unifying U.S. police, instructors in a common procedure



    Show #824
    Original airdate: March 2, 2017
    Guests: Paul Schrade / Lisa Pease / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: RFK Assassination Research


    Play Paul Schrade   (58:14)   MP3 download



  • Reopening the R.F.K. Investigation: (Schrade/Lowenstein 1973)
  • Paul was an officer in the United Auto Workers union
  • He became Labor Chair in the RFK Presidential campaign
  • He was with RFK at his victory speech the night of the California primary
  • Senator Kennedy spoke to Paul as they entered the Ambassador Hotel pantry
  • Paul was about six feet behind RFK as Sirhan fired two shots
  • The first shot went wild, the second shot hit Paul
  • Rep. Allard Lowenstein (D-NY) recruited Paul to get involved in a new investigation
  • Paul had gone back to work, and had accepted that Sirhan did it
  • Allard introduced Paul to Lillian Castellano and Floyd Nelson
  • (Truth Committee Releases Conspiracy Evidence, L.A. Free Press, May 23, 1969)
  • A photograph of bullets in the door frame, beyond the number of bullets reported
  • Lowenstein was a good Democrat for New York, he was on Nixon's Enemies List
  • Paul filed an unsuccessful lawsuit for files and evidence
  • Superior Court Judge Robert A. Wenke, granted a refiring of the gun
  • They found no evidence of a second gun
  • When Lillian Castellano went public, they locked up the files
  • The files were finally released in 1988 after a struggle
  • A large amount of evidence had been destroyed
  • Allard Lowenstein with William F. Buckley, Firing Line, April 11, 1975
  • (Ex-Rep. Lowenstein Fatally Shot By Gunman in N.Y. Law Office) (3/14/80)
  • The Obsession, the suicide of RFK assassination researcher Greg Stone (1/29/01)
  • A key Sirhan had fit the car of a man working in the Ambassador kitchen listed
            as not to be trusted in the presence of the President
  • What is left of the prosecution's evidence, proves a second gunman
  • Nobody saw the second gunmen, true, and nobody saw Sirhan behind RKF!
  • Paul testified for pantry photographer Scott Enyart (BOR #12)
  • The key issues are those in the record, not Scott's missing photos
  • Aged 92, Paul feels pressure to open the case with the evidence at hand
  • They know as much as we do, they're not willing to go there
  • Ted Charach (BOR #300) did really great work, The Second Gun
  • Lynn Mangan (BOR #769) and Paul, the best of buddies, used to fight like hell
  • Dr. William Pepper (BOR #773), exhausted every court possibility
  • Former California attorney general, Kamala Harris, fought Pepper and Laurie Dusek
  • There's been a lot of good talk, books, television about it
  • We get into blind alleys, but, can't convince DAs, police
  • Audio expert Phil Van Praag (BOR #334) analysis of the Pruszynski recording
  • Van Praag found two shots followed by a flurry of 11 shots
  • The first two shots did not hit Kennedy, Sirhan's next six couldn't hit Kennedy
  • Photographer Bill Eppridge of TIME/LIFE, RFK and Paul's foot
  • Paul is working to make the case against the prosecution
  • Previous Paul Schrade appearance: BOR Show #769

    Play Lisa Pease   (57:09)   MP3 download



  • This is a replay of BOR Show #581 from June 7, 2012
  • A three day event, California primary, RFK walked into the kitchen pantry
  • Karl Uecker, Thane Eugene Cesar, Sirhan Sirhan fired, police suppressed evidence
  • Sirhan was not close enough to Kennedy to have fired the shots that hit him
  • An unseen second gunmen, too many bullet holes, DeWayne Wolfer
  • 1975 reinvestigation, the HSCA did not reopen the RFK case
  • William Pepper trying to get a new evidentiary hearing, Brad Johnson
  • Witness Nina Rhodes-Hughes, 12 shots from two firing positions
  • A gunman shooting downward from the steam table, a third gunman
  • Powder burns on RKF, security guards gun was drawn, a witness saw him fire
  • Grant Cooper stipulated the ballistics evidence, the Friars Club case
  • Cooper was facing disbarment, instead he got a slap on the wrist
  • Sirhan had no memory of the shooting, no motive, LAPD ties to the CIA
  • Michael Wayne and one other man were arrested that night
  • Chief Robert Houghton, Sirhan did not identify himself for hours
  • Sirhan was in a hypnotic state, may not have had actual bullets
  • We're living in a false history, in a National Security State
  • Lisa is working on a new book, twitter lisapease
  • Previous Lisa Pease appearance: BOR Show #736

    Play Jim DiEugenio   (40:51)   MP3 download



  • Jim appreciates the archival work of David Giglio (BOR #803) at ourhiddenhistory.org
  • kennedysandking.com, Reopening the R.F.K. Investigation: (Schrade/Lowenstein 1973)
  • Suppressed Evidence of More than One Assassin?, Saturday Review, (Lowenstein 02/19/1977)
  • Allard K. Lowenstein (01/16/1929 – 03/14/1980) graduated from Yale Law School in 1954
  • Get a law degree from Yale, you've got your ticket punched forever
  • He worked on Capitol Hill for Senator Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)
  • He wrote Brutal Mandate about the Union of South Africa (1962)
  • He helped write RFK's University of Cape Town "Day of Affirmation" speech (06/06/1966)
  • In 1968 Lowenstein served a single term in Congress from New York State
  • Articles and books questioned the JFK assassination, some even before the Warren Report
  • Fifty-One Witnesses: The Grassy Knoll, by Harold Feldman, Minority of One (03/1965)
  • Seeds of Doubt:, by Jack Minnis and Staughton Lynd (New Republic) (12/21/1963)
  • Who Killed Kennedy?, by Thomas G. Buchanan (1964)
  • Oswald: Assassin or Fall-Guy?, by Joachim Joesten (09/1964)
  • That didn't happen in the RFK case until after the trial
  • Lillian Castellano in the Los Angeles Free Press (06/06/1969)
  • That article opened up Pandora's box
  • Sirhan's lawyer, Grant Cooper stipulated to the evidence
  • Lowenstein met really serious people with really serious questions
  • Lowenstein did get a slight reopening of the case in 1975, the Wenke Panel
  • Special Exhibit 10 Report, by Rose Lynn Mangan (BOR #769)
  • Sirhan and the RFK Assassination, Part I: The Grand Illusion, by Lisa Pease (BOR #736)
  • "Not a comparison against a test bullet, but rather, against another victim bullet"
  • In Jim's long experience, he considers this fraud as being particularly "pretty bad"
  • If the bullets did match, why would they have to go through all this?
  • If the bullets don't match, then there has to have been a second gun
  • Reply Brief on the Issue of Actual Innocence, by Pepper and Dusek (11/20/11)
  • Criminalist Bill Harper questioned the ballistics in this case
  • He told Lynn Mangan, they switched the bullets and they switched the guns
  • (6 Years Later, Evidence in Sirhan's Case Is Questioned, by John Crewdson (NYT 12/15/1974))
  • Sirhan's hypno-programming, the girl in a polka-dot dress (BOR #790)
  • Next year is the 50th anniversary of Robert Kennedy's assassination
  • Assassination by distraction, Thane Eugene Cesar in the perfect position
  • "Robert Kennedy’s death...mourned as an extension of the evils of senseless violence"
  • "how limited was the general understanding of what is possible in America"
  • Allard Lowenstein, a politician who really had the guts to do the right thing
  • Previous Jim DiEugenio appearance: BOR Show #823



    Show #823
    Original airdate: February 23, 2017
    Guests: Pearse Redmond and Tom Secker / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: The CIA and Hollywood / Lopez-Hardway Report / Listener Letters


    Play Pearse Redmond and Tom Secker   (1:21:05)   MP3 download



  • A series, The CIA and Hollywood, Episode 8 The Quiet American (1958)
  • Pearse's website: porkinspolicyreview.com, Tom's website: spyculture.com
  • Love of movies, understanding what Intelligence agencies get out of this
  • Two seasons, 15 episodes, over 20 movies, historic, modern
  • CIA had an official liaison office, Chase Brandon, 1996
  • CIA was in Hollywood for Animal Farm (1954), 1984 (1956)
  • E. Howard Hunt purchased the rights to those stories from Orwell's widow
  • The official office, a bit more public, to offer advice and influence
  • A wide variety, Meet The Parents (2000), Meet The Fockers (2004)
  • Race To Witch Mountain (2009), Zero Dark Thirty (2014), Salt (2010)
  • The liaison office is still there, a unit within the CIA Public Affairs Office
  • 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi (2016)
  • Mission Impossible - Rogue Nation (2015)
  • American Ultra (2015), Spy (2015), Argo (2012)
  • Television as well, Homeland, The Agency, 24, The Americans
  • Propaganda to make the Agency look great, look scary, even evil, but, necessary
  • The insidious part is they are creating and influencing culture
  • A clandestine organization that sells drugs and oppression around the world
  • These are domestic operations within the United States, illegal for CIA
  • Tom Clancy had a relationship with CIA, they were huge fans
  • Patriot Games (1992), Clear and Present Danger (1994)
  • Chase Brandon wrote The Recruit (2003)
  • The novel The Quiet American (1955) by Graham Greene
  • CIA understood the power of the novel on influencing people on Vietnam
  • 1943 OSS memo: The Motion Picture as a Weapon of Psychological Warfare
  • In the book, the main character, Alden Pyle, is CIA, not so in the 1958 film
  • They remove most of the politics in the film
  • In the novel, the U.S. supplies bombs to Vietnamese, in the film, to Chinese
  • Vietnamese General Trinh Minh The (TAY), carried out terrorist bombings in Saigon
  • Edward Lansdale letter to filmmaker Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 3/17/1956
  • Edward Lansdale's Cold War (2005), by Jonathan Nashel
  • In the book, Pyle is a spy, in the film, he works for some non-governmental agency
  • Pyle may be based on Lansdale
  • The bombings are connected to CIA in the novel, connected to communists in the film
  • Mankiewicz was quite taken with Lansdale, the globetrotting man of the world
  • Lansdale promised and delivered on getting the crew to film in Vietnam
  • A gorgeous looking film, filmed in Saigon and north of Saigon
  • CIA know a lot of great spy stories, CIA sponsored films are better films
  • Lansdale knew how to sell something, whether it was true or not
  • The 1952 bombing was a false flag, as is the 1958 film
  • Covering up everything that really went on, Charlie Wilson's War (2007)
  • Lansdale was selling an image of Vietnam, an idea, and tourism
  • CIA knew Vietnam was important, a need to pave the way for further involvement
  • The average American didn't know Vietnam, that the U.S. and the French were there
  • Lansdale false flags in the Philippines, Bay of Pigs, Operations Mongoose and Northwoods
  • The U.S. military may have lost in Vietnam, CIA got most of what they wanted
  • One idea in the film, this is America's duty, all over the world
  • Pyle is played by Audie Murphy, decorated WWII veteran
  • Greene was criticizing spreading democracy by the use of clandestine militias
  • The book is good spy fiction, politically subtle, dead right
  • The 1984 (1956) film is boring. they take out most of the interesting political statements
  • Animal Farm (1954) is a great animated film, they changed and manipulated the ending
  • Double-speak, the Patriot Act, Operation Enduring Freedom, you're being taken advantage of
  • Without CIA help, Hollywood turns subversive stories into boring, inoffensive stories
  • You could never forgive Tom Hanks for doing Charlie Wilson's War (2007)
  • Good talents at the service of a mistelling of history, a complete deception
  • CIA turns rogue agents into someone you can have affection for
  • The Good Shepherd (2006) , it's all justified, for the greater good
  • Daniel Ellsberg's public persona is phony, he grew up in Vietnam
  • What does the Pentagon Papers leave out? What CIA was doing
  • Jek Porkins, the first member of the Rebel Alliance to die attacking the Death Star
  • Jek Porkins V.1 V.2 V.3

    Play Jim DiEugenio   (1:17:45)   MP3 download



  • kennedysandking.com; Remembering Malcolm X: February 21, 2017
  • Featuring Joe Green, James W. Douglass, and Talmadge Hayer
  • Jeff Carter's review (Part 1) of Alexandra Zapruder's,
  • Twenty-Six Seconds: A Personal History of the Zapruder Film (2016)
  • Presstitute Max Holland, winner of a CIA Studies in Intelligence Award
  • Jim turned down Holland's subscription money, Len turned down McAdams
  • Charles Bartlett, Pulitzer-winning journalist and Kennedy loyalist, dies at 95
  • Douglas Valentine’s CIA vs. Donald Trump’s CIA, by Brad Schreiber
  • The good contributions of David Giglio, ourhiddenhistory.com
  • Varying opinions on G. Robert Blakey and the HSCA, Dan Hardway (BOR #822)
  • In the top five of ARRB releases, the Lopez-Hardway Report, Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City
  • Eddie Lopez wanted the Mexico City camera operator names
  • CIA would not give them to him, he got the list from Fidel Castro
  • Jim disagrees with their information on Oswald's travels to/from Mexico City
  • To this day, we do not know how Oswald left New Orleans to get to Houston
  • Houston to Mexico City, very dicey witnesses
  • 54 years later, CIA has no picture or tape recording of Oswald
  • David Phillips lied about the automatic pulse camera being broken
  • The Mexico City Oswald speaks broken Russian and fluent Spanish
  • FBI memo to Secret Service, 'not Lee Harvey Oswald,' 11/23/63
  • Anne Goodpasture ran Phillip's Mexico City operations much of the time
  • Goodpasture HSCA 1, Goodpasture HSCA 2, Goodpasture ARRB
  • Why did she lie repeatedly to Eddie and Danny?
  • Neither Goodpasture nor Phillips are in the Warren Report
  • In Mexico City, Phillips was Head of Cuban Operations
  • The production and notes for LILYRIC, the Soviet Embassy camera
  • The Mystery Man photo printed in the WC, Commission Exhibit 237
  • The Mystery Man was KGB employee Yuriy Moskelev
  • The cable regarding Oswald did not get to Langley for seven days
  • CIA did not fully declassify Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City until 2007
  • Dan Hardway, 50 Reasons for 50 Years... Episode #44
  • First come first serve to buy an autographed copy of Reclaiming Parkland (revised 2016)
  • Contact Jim at kennedysandking.com/contact-us
  • Listener letters: Fake news? In the JFK assassination you couldn't trust any news organizations
  • How accurate is the film JFK (1991)? See Reclaiming Parkland, very accurate
  • Read JFK: The Book of the Film (Stone/Sklar 2000)
  • Review the The Collected Works Of Col. L. Fletcher Prouty CD-ROM
  • Memo: Secretary of Defense Conference, Honolulu, May 6, 1963
  • How accurate is the film Executive Action (1973)?
  • Len interviewed both Mark Lane (BOR #545) and Donald Freed (BOR #651) on it
  • They both said their screenplay was tougher on CIA than the film
  • Ex-CIA John Stockwell, it's a miracle Jim Garrison got as far as he did
  • Read Let Justice Be Done (Davy 1999) and A Farewell to Justice: (Mellon 2005)
  • Watch The Jim Garrison Tapes (Barbour 1992)
  • On the Trail of the Assassins: (Garrison 1988)
            One Man's Quest to Solve the Murder of President Kennedy
  • Limited 20 CD edition of The Searchers and 37 hours of interview footage
  • Do all books about JFK tell the same story?
  • A conclusion that there was a conspiracy, that's only natural
  • Watch 50 Reasons for 50 years..., Jim's Best 10 Books on the JFK Assassination
  • Len recommends books, movies, articles, videos, and BOR interviews
  • No, we don't know exactly what Dorothy Kilgallen had (BOR #820)
  • It is not the function of private citizens to spend their lives investigating
            who killed John Kennedy, bless the ones who do
  • If you like the information Black Op Radio provides, please donate or subscribe



    Show #822
    Original airdate: February 16, 2001
    Guests: Dan Hardway
    Topics: The Lopez-Hardway Report


    Play Dan Hardway   (55:07)   MP3 download



  • Dan, an attorney, worked with Edwin Lopez and Robert Blakey in the HSCA
  • The HSCA Lopez-Hardway Report, Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City
  • When Dan was getting too close to certain issues, CIA brought in George Joannides
  • Joannides covered-up David Phillips' propaganda activities linking Oswald to Castro
  • Phillips was not rogue, possibly he was used from within the Agency
  • Dan did this work 40 years ago, he has not had the time to keep up with research
  • There was Intelligence involvement in setting up the cover-up in advance
  • Was CIA involved in the assassination? We tried not to speculate
  • Is CIA suspect? Yes. Evidence? Clearly enough to merit further investigation
  • The built-in function of plausible deniability, propaganda, black operations
  • Oswald could not have been set up better, very sophisticated, detail and coordination
  • OurHiddenHistory's Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City audiobook
  • There is evidence Oswald went to Mexico City. Did he go? I don't know
  • Evidence, indications, testimony, records, questionable
  • A distinct possibility he could have been impersonated in Mexico City
  • The kind of details we get hung up in, in an Intelligence operation, we can expect
  • Pretty sure a photo was obtained and a tape recording survived, they ended up in Dallas
  • FBI saw a photo and heard a tape, neither one of them were of Oswald
  • Gary Cornwell wasn't very supportive of Dan and Eddie
  • Most HSCA staffers were at least agnostic on the issue of conspiracy
  • Eddie and Dan got a lot of insulation from Bob (Blakey)
  • Sprague and Tanenbaum, went in thinking they could act like prosecuting attorneys
  • A Congressional Investigation could not indict, did not have prosecutor authority
  • When it blew up, they left, a huge mess, doubt whether it would finish
  • What Blakey could do was produce a report and suggest legislation
  • Dan started in the dark, they found the basis of what the ARRB found and disclosed
  • Cover-up does not prove conspiracy, other possible motivations to cover-up
  • CIA admitted participating in a benign cover-up, Thank You Phil Shenon (10/2015)
  • Dan's blog, realhillbillyviews.blogspot.com
  • CIA was declassifying the Lopez-Hardway report at three days per four paragraphs
  • Someone, maybe CIA, made marginalia notes in the declassified draft
  • People plotting to kill Castro, could have been in on killing Kennedy
  • It takes painstaking work to pull out the threads and make the connections
  • It's now a historical rather then a forensic investigation
  • Select Committees are limited in time, purpose, and funding
  • Speculation, animosity about the King investigation, Southern congressman
  • Mickey Goldsmith, sharp, supportive, backed up Dan and Eddie with CIA
  • Our motto was "Reality is Irrelevant"
  • The Prosecutor's Tale (July 14, 2016)

    Play Dan Hardway   (13:13)   Youtube

  • 50 Reasons for 50 Years... Episode #44
  • Information They Were Seeking
  • Presenter - Dan Hardway
  • Dan Hardway served as an investigator for the HSCA late 1970s
  • Along with colleague Ed Lopez, Hardway was assigned to the CIA file
  • The information they developed was immediately classified
  • In this series exclusive, Hardway discusses his experiences





    Show #821
    Original airdate: February 9, 2017
    Guests: Greg Poulgrain & Jim DiEugenio / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: JFK Foreign Policy / Listener Letters


    Play Greg Poulgrain & Jim DiEugenio   (1:15:44)   MP3 download



  • Greg took literary studies at the University of Queensland
  • He took a class on Southeast Asia and Indonesia
  • He acquired a History PhD in the early 90's
  • The Netherlands had colonized Indonesia for 350 years
  • Only a few Dutch knew the wealth of West Irian (West New Guinea)
  • The richest oil in the world, it has no sulphur in it
  • The biggest gold deposit in the world, called Copper Mountain
  • Freeport Sulphur, now Freeport-McMoRan Inc.
  • Presidents Kennedy and Sukarno (Indonesia) were not aware of the gold
  • Joseph Luns, Dutch foreign minister (1952–71), was aware
  • 1962, Kennedy advised his Dutch NATO ally to leave West Irian
  • Avoid Soviet clash, get Indonesia on side in the Cold War
  • Sukarno gave the PKI (Partai Komunis Indonesia) the oil rich area
  • Japanese Admiral Maeda and the PKI oil company
  • Achmed Sukarno said the Papuans can be their own masters
  • Since Mohamed Suharto, they have been dominated and decimated
  • Kennedy planned to visit Jakarta in 1964
  • He wanted to settle Konfrontasi or Indonesian-Malaysian Confrontation
  • The British were worried about Chinese influence in decolonization
  • They wanted to link their former colonies together
  • Crown Colony of Sarawak, the CCO (Communist Clandestine Organisation)
  • This got the attention of CIA and MI-6, wanted to give CCO weapons
  • William Andreas Brown, later U.S. Ambassador to Israel
  • Roy Henry, British Intelligence started the Brunei rebellion
  • The British forced the CCO from Sarawak to Indonesia
  • Indonesian Foreign Minister Subandrio, not Sukarno, started Konfrontasi
  • The Indonesian Army could fling the Cabinet around like a doll
  • Foreign Minister Subandrio was also Chief of Intelligence (BPI)
  • The Dulles group in CIA, MI-6, and Subandrio started Konfrontasi
  • U.S. Ambassador Howard Jones (1958-65), Indonesia: The Possible Dream (1971)
  • Moscow wanted the PKI to stand for election, Beijing did not
  • In 1963, former CIA Chief Dulles was out, but, he was still in
  • Lyndon Johnson reversed Kennedy policy, LBJ did not like Sukarno
  • Greg was in Jarkata for the fall of Suharto (06/21/1998)
  • Ten Days In Jakarta: (06/24/1998)
            Events Surrounding the Resignation of President Suharto
            (First published in Dutch in De Groene Amsterdammer)
  • Greg spoke with Kolonel Abdul Latief, imprisoned from 1965-99
  • Latief knew Suharto and Suharto knew Sjam Kamaruzaman from 1945
  • Sjam Kamaruzaman (1924-1986) killed the generals in the 1965 coup
  • Suharto knew and was behind those of the 30 September Movement
  • Greg thinks Sjam was not executed, perhaps he died in San Francisco
  • History tells that on October 1, 1965,
            Colonels loyal to Sukarno executed six Generals about to kill Sukarno
  • Latief said, the plan was that no one would be killed
  • Sjam led the kidnapping and murder of the Generals
  • Chairman Mao Tse-tung knew of the plan a month earlier
  • Jess Melvin, her PhD thesis, Mechanics of mass murder (2014)
  • Suharto had taken steps to strike the PKI before this event occurred
  • Greg knew Indonesian General Abdul Nasution
  • Sjam and Suharto seen in Bandung with CIA trained General Suwarto
  • Guy Pauker, friends with Suwarto and Allen Dulles
  • Peasants joined PKI to get a little bit of land, not political
  • 1965-66, over 1,000,000 were killed, rivers choked with bodies
  • Moscow and Beijing blamed each other for what happened to the PKI
  • The Supersemar, mysterious letter from Sukarno to Suharto to take control
  • Greg was the last person to enter Jarkarta at Soekarno-Hatta airport on 05/14/1998
  • Buildings were burning, don't burn the buildings marked with an X
  • Burning supermarkets with people inside, 60,000 students occupied Parliament
  • Indonesian James Riady's LippoBank contributed millions to Clinton's re-election
  • Secretary of State Madeleine Albright convinced Suharto it was time to go
  • Pretext for Mass Murder: (Roosa 2006)
            The September 30th Movement and Suharto's Coup d'État in Indonesia
  • Suharto's prior involvement in the strike against the Generals needs to come out
  • Greg could and may write a book on the 1965 coup
  • The Genesis of Konfrontasi: (Poulgrain 2014)
            Malaysia, Brunei, and Indonesia, 1945-1965
  • The Incubus of Intervention: (Poulgrain 2015)
            Conflicting Indonesia Strategies of John F. Kennedy and Allen Dulles
  • Previous Greg Poulgrain appearance: BOR Show #792

    Play Jim DiEugenio   (1:06:32)   MP3 download



  • 2017 milestone event, May 21, JFK's 100th birthday
  • 2017 milestone event, October 26, ARRB final releases
  • An open and shut, Oswald did it case? Why 4,000,000 pages?
  • Jim Lesar, Bill Kelly, John Newman, East coast researchers
  • 2019 #Calexit Independence Referendum
  • The Left Coast, Washington, Oregon, and California, civil war?
  • kennedysandking.com
  • Fidel Castro's First Speech on the JFK Assassination, 11/23/1963
  • His analysis makes the WC Report look like a kindergarten class
  • A Kennedy/State Department view of Cuba, and a Pentagon/CIA view
  • Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City (aka The Lopez Report) Audiobook
  • Listener letters, acknowledgement of Jim as a researcher, writer, and educator
  • +P ammo was not available in the 1960s
  • (NOTE: This 22-second gap intentionally left blank)
  • On the Trail of the Assassins: (Garrison 1988)
            One Man's Quest to Solve the Murder of President Kennedy
  • Garrison was a good lawyer, also a very good writer
  • Only one bullet found in Tippit sent to the FBI lab
  • The bullet did not match Oswald's revolver
  • The WC inquired of the other three, found after four months
  • FBI was unable to conclude any were fired from the Oswald revolver
  • Cartridges found at the scene had automatic ejector marks
  • WC testimony of DPD patrolman J. M. Poe, 04/091964
  • Sandra Serrano, Officer Habighorst and Clay Shaw's Clay Bertrand alias
  • Jim spoke with Habighorst's widow, he was a proficient officer
  • It was objected that Shaw did not have an attorney at the booking
  • Dorothy Kilgallen (BOR #820, #813), circumstances warrant a reinvestigation
  • A Coroner Inquest may call witnesses, but, not under a Medical Examiner
  • William Bruce Pitzer, Jim is agnostic, best work by Allan Eaglesham
  • Witnesses Jerrol Custer and Dennis David, a measure of credibility
  • How to square Oswald leaving Dealey Plaza, WC vs. Roger Craig
  • One way to explain it is that there were two Oswalds
  • Another way to explain is that one of the stories is wrong
  • Anna Marie Kuhns-Walko found a picture of Oswald on the embankment
  • Oswald may never have been on that bus or in the cab either
  • Sylvia Meagher makes a good case, Accessories After The Fact: (1967)
            The Warren Commission, the Authorities & the Report on the JFK Assassination
  • Might Trump put the kibosh on the 2017 ARRB releases?
  • Bill Hicks on Presidential orientation
  • Alex Jones scholarship and approach to controversial subjects
  • Alex Jones on the Kennedy Murder: A Painful Case, Seamus Coogan
  • We have the worst mainstream media in the world
  • Jones is Pavlovian against liberals, he does talk about things others won't
  • Good early work, a vacuum, O'Reilly or Jones
  • In Ten Days In Jakarta:, Greg Poulgrain mentions Kolonel Abdul Latief
  • Information Latief revealed to Greg, never heard anywhere else
  • Complete reversal of JFK's foreign policy, Sukarno's democracy, Suharto's dictatorship
  • The bloodiest coup in CIA history, an ethnic massacre
  • Latief said Suharto was fully aware of what the Colonels were going to do
  • Televised film of the General's bodies turned people against the PKI
  • It has taken 50 years to understand Suharto's playing the Colonels
  • CIA knew how much underreported mineral wealth there was in that area
  • Jim's review of The Incubus of Intervention:(Poulgrain 2015)
            Conflicting Indonesia Strategies of John F. Kennedy and Allen Dulles
  • The 1965 Indonesia coup is CIA's crown jewel
  • Jim: contact@kennedysandking.com, Greg: pandai@bigpond.com



    Show #820
    Original airdate: February 2, 2017
    Guests: Doug Valentine / Jim DiEugenio
    Topics: Book of the Year / Dorothy Kilgallen


    Play Doug Valentine   (1:04:30)   MP3 download



  • Doug is back to further discuss his new book
  • The CIA As Organized Crime: (November 30, 2016)
            How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World
  • Len considers this a very important book along with,
  • The Secret Team: (Prouty 1973)
            The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World
  • The Devil's Chessboard: (Talbot 2015)
            Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government
  • The Phoenix Program (Valentine 1990)
            America's Use of Terror in Vietnam
  • It starts in World War II
  • Fletcher Prouty identified Gen. Ed Lansdale in Dealey Plaza
            in a Three Tramps photo
  • Our Achilles heel, why we think about things the way we do
  • Ed Lansdale represents a player behind the scenes
  • Lansdale was in the OSS and Intelligence in WW II
  • He was in Philippines starting around 1948
  • He is credited with saving the Philippines from communism
  • He engaged in illegal and immoral activities
  • He developed counter-insurgency warfare and tactics
  • He assassinated Filipinos, to blame it on the Communists
  • Black propaganda, at the heart of our problems today
  • He did the same things in South Vietnam
  • He selected Catholic Diem and had his election rigged
  • In Saigon, Diem got 133% of the vote
  • Lansdale had the experience and know-how and amorality
            to stage a coup in the U.S. and overthrow John Kennedy
  • His team in Vietnam, 1954-66, spread around the world
  • His doctrine becomes the thinking of CIA and military officers
  • His people show up later on, Charles Bohanan, Joe Baker,
  • Lucien Conein, Bernard Yoh, William Rosson
  • The Bay of Pigs fiasco brought Kennedy into conflict with CIA
  • The Kennedy's thought Lansdale was compatible with them
  • The counter-insurgency guru in charge of Operation Mongoose
  • To wage an insurgency in Cuba and overthrow Castro
  • He wanted to use chemical and biological warfare
  • CIA officers William Harvey and Ted Shackley
  • Working with mobsters like Santo Trafficante
  • These things he developed are still used today
  • The Ugly American (Burdick/Lederer 1958), is about him
  • Mongoose and Diem were terrible failures
  • Lansdale had been discredited by November 1963
  • Kennedy,, "And we call ourselves the human race"
  • Anything you could do to stop communism was ok
  • Bomb them back to the Stone Age
  • A CIA and military that at its heart is psychopathological
  • People who would have no problem killing John Kennedy
  • They had done before, removal of heads of state
  • Lansdale had been in advertising, he made Levis popular
  • A command of language and symbolism, essential to CIA
  • The selling of the psychopathic programs
  • Cloaking them as Civic Action
  • In Vietnam, Filipino assassins, Operations Brotherhood
  • The American public believed CIA were boy scouts
  • Essence of CIA power is in it's ability to rewrite history
  • Government imperial ambitions in the hands of criminal genius
  • At the center is drug trafficking
  • In WW II Fletcher was flying opium to the OSS in Burma
  • This methodology was kept and transferred to Southeast Asia
  • Nazis and collaborators, Reinhard Gehlen, Stepan Bandera
  • CIA set one of them up in an airline in Saigon and Laos
  • Aigle Azur, Blue Eagle Airlines, running drugs for CIA
  • They supplied people like Santo Trafficante through Cuba
  • Proprietary companies run by deniable assets
  • To do illegal things to subvert, or to support puppets
  • CIA is the organized crime branch of the U.S. government
  • Call in Col. Magsaysay, the Communists are coming!
  • A charade of defending against Communists attacks
  • CIA Ivy League anthropologists, sociologists, psychologists
  • To control political and social movements around the world
  • Johnson reversed Kennedy policies, escalation of the war
  • Viet Cong and the NLF were more powerful in rural villages
  • American military might could not win
  • Apply psychological warfare against the villagers
  • In 1965, Lansdale and a special team return to Vietnam
  • The same gang of Filipino cutthroats and CIA officers
  • Coordinator with the Revolutionary Development Support program
  • To use explicit and implicite terrorism
  • One of the members of Lansdale's team is Daniel Ellsberg
  • Frank Scotton pioneered Armed Propaganda Teams
  • 40 men, four or five of whom assassinated people
  • Ellsberg, who Doug interviewed, was part of this
  • He defended Lansdale, his mentor in counter-insurgency
  • Is it possible for him to not see these guys as psychopaths?
  • Ellsberg achieved infamy, a swordsman, romancing women
  • Ellsberg reported on Vietnamese he socialized with
  • An affair with Germaine, who was engaged to a Corsican
  • Michel Seguin, a CIA associated drug trafficker
  • Scotton and Conein prevented Seguin from killing Ellsberg
  • The CIA drug network was on the verge of collapsing
  • To Doug, Ellsberg denied CIA involvement in drug trafficking
  • The Pentagon Papers don't represent CIA Vietnam operations
  • Ellsberg knew the truth, his biography skips over it
  • We can't assume people we look to are honest with us
  • Convoluted historians assassinate JFK over and over
  • We have to question what we think, our own beliefs
  • This idea that the United States is a force for good
  • It's all bullshit, we're run by a group of psychopaths
  • The media understands, America is run by a cult of death
  • Until that basic assumption is confronted and exposed,
            it's all just gonna go rolling along the same way
  • Ellsberg, Lansdale, Pentagon Papers, JFK assassination
  • Just one tiny example, these things go on every day
  • Pearl Harbor, what do you mean they knew they were comin'?
  • Len recommends that you pick up this new book, also,
  • The Phoenix Program: (2000)
            America's Use of Terror in Vietnam
  • TDY (2000)
  • The Strength of the Wolf (2006)
            The Secret History of America's War on Drugs
  • The Strength of the Pack: (2009)
            The Personalities, Politics and Espionage
            Intrigues that Shaped the DEA
  • douglasvalentine.com
  • Previous Doug Valentine appearance: BOR Show #819
  • Also,
  • Col. Fletcher Prouty discusses Ed Lansdale in Dealey Plaza
  • The Ballad of Ed Lansdale, by Len Osanic (2002)
  • And,
  • The CIA and Hollywood episode 8 The Quiet American
  • Ed Lansdale and the Folksongs of Americans in the Vietnam War
  • Air University Catalog of Lansdale s Books and Papers

    Play Jim DiEugenio   (48:53)   MP3 download



  • Jim's kennedysandking.com
  • Sign up to receive Kennedys and King's monthly newsletter
  • The site's Unique Visitors are up 25-30%
  • From The Archives Special: Martin Luther King
  • Articles from Probe by Lisa Pease, Dick Russell, and James Douglass
  • The Magic Scalp, by Milicent Cranor
  • Jim's review of Bobby Kennedy: The Making of a Liberal Icon (Tye 2016)
  • A poor book, trying to create a spin that is not really there
  • The book is endorsed by none other than Henry Kissinger
  • Jim's review of The Reporter Who Knew Too Much: (Shaw 2016) (BOR #813)
  • Dorothy Kilgallen, one of the few MSM to take issue the WC
  • She worked with Mark Lane and Fort Worth reporter Thayer Waldo
  • No one in the MSM came close to her investigation and reporting
  • Kilgallen: a Biography of Dorothy Kilgallen (Lee Israel 1979)
  • Who Killed Dorothy Kilgallen? (Sara Jordan 2007)
  • Good Night, Dorothy Kilgallen (Paul Alexander 2008) (Unpublished)
  • She was found in the wrong bed, wearing earrings and the wrong clothes
  • With a book she had already finished, and her eyeglasses were not in the room
  • Everything about the scene was abnormal, no NYPD investigation
  • Traces of Seconal, Nembutal and Tuilan, a fatal effect in combination
  • A romantic relationship with Ron Pataky, Columbus Citizen-Journal reporter
  • The Assassination Tapes: (O'Toole 1975)
            An electric probe into the Murder of John F. Kennedy and the Dallas coverup
  • While with CIA, George O'Toole had used a voice stress analyzer (PSE)
  • Pataky's recorded denial of being in New York City that night, rated high stress
  • From The Archives Feature: The Creation of the Warren Commission (Gibson)
  • Letters: Where are the hi-res scans of the Z-film?
  • Robert Groden in 50 Reasons For 50 Years - Episode 25
  • Len is not yet convinced of Z-film alteration, but, it would not surprise him
  • Jim has seen the scans, this does not approach full-scale alteration
  • You can see in the scan a black marking, on a third generation film
  • They are getting the runaround on acquiring the first generation transparencies
  • Twenty-Six Seconds: (Alexandra Zapruder 2016)
           A Personal History of the Zapruder Film
  • Jeff Carter (50 Reasons For 50 Years) (BOR #750) is reviewing that book
  • The Zapruder Film Mystery (Doug Horne/Shane O'Sullivan)
  • *** Breaking news on a Manhattan D.A. Office look into Kilgallen's death
  • Previous Jim DiEugenio appearance: BOR Show #815



    Show #819
    Original airdate: January 26, 2017
    Guests: Doug Valentine
    Topics: CIA As Organized Crime


    Play Doug Valentine   (1:23:34)   MP3 download



  • Doug's first appearance was 17 years ago, 12/11/2000 - BOR #26
  • The CIA As Organized Crime: (November 30th, 2016)
            How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World
  • Doug was a blue collar kid, he started college in 1967
  • He became a tree surgeon, wanting to be a writer
  • Age 30, his father told him about being a POW in WWII
  • That story of a POW mutiny became The Hotel Tacloban (1984)
  • Wanting to write of Vietnam, Doug heard of the Phoenix Program
  • In 1983, Doug contacted William Colby (OSS/CIA/Phoenix/DCI)
  • Colby read The Hotel Tacloban, liked it, and granted Doug interviews
  • He was introduced to senior CIA who ran Phoenix and other programs
  • They liked him and they volunteered CIA's deepest darkest secrets
  • Two resulting books, TDY (2000) and The Phoenix Program (2000)
  • Phoenix coordinated 25 Intelligence and paramilitary programs
  • Two main programs, Foreign Intelligence, Covert Operations
  • Doug acquired more knowledge than the compartmented CIA personnel
  • Ruthless killers, the world's best blackmailers, drug smugglers
  • Evan Parker, OSS, 1967 director of Phoenix, provided the roster
  • A wink and a nod mindset carried though Doug's interviews
  • Lou Conein, OSS/CIA, the 1963 assassination of President Diem
  • John Muldoon, CIA, the Provincial Interrogation Center Program
  • Conein tells Doug which bar to find Muldoon in
  • "You Muldoon?", "Yeah", "Well Conein says you're the worst..."
  • Colby had a tiny Jesuit's office in a richly furnished law firm
  • He was down to earth, direct, a pale cold fish
  • The 2011 Carl Colby documentary The Man Nobody Knew:
  • Congress authorizes CIA to be the organized crime branch
  • Murder, blackmail, extort, deal drugs, just don't tell us
  • We want to move in to (any country), do it, we'll have your back
  • CIA was originally intended only to coordinate intelligence
  • A covert operations clause, subverting foreign nations
  • Limit CIA Role To Intelligence, Harry Truman, 12/22/1963
  • U.S. expansion westward, boundaries with Canada and Mexico
  • Building its industrial base, isolationist
  • A lot of Americans owned businesses around the world
  • More political influence, The Foreign Policy Association (1918)
  • FDR created the OSS through their auspices, then CIA
  • Allen Dulles was FPA, the bureaucratic, government aspect
  • Phoenix was secret from 1967 to 1969
  • Nelson Brickham, CIA, organized pacification of South Vietnam
  • It was targeted at the civilians who managed the insurgency
  • There were thousands of massacres, hunting civilians on it's hit list
  • Officially 25,000 killed, actually hundreds of thousands were killed
  • Bruce Lawlor, CIA, Danang 1971, an Interrogation Center
  • A woman suspect raped and murdered, he was shocked, a war crime
  • Lawlor complained, was sent home and cashiered out of CIA
  • Colby brought him back in to the family, a brigadier general
  • He became the first Homeland Security Chief of Staff
  • Phoenix Program participants rose to positions of power
  • They run repressive police state systems
  • Ultimately to destroy any kind of Left in the U.S.
  • Psychological warfare to terrify the 20,000,000 population
  • Sen. Bob Kerrey, Navy SEAL, Thanh Phong village, February 1969
  • They slit the throats of a grandma, grandpa, and granddaughter
  • Gathered together in a cluster, the villagers were killed in cold blood
  • Bob Kerrey was given a Medal of Honor
  • CIA has a license to kill, that's it's job
  • In Thailand's Golden Triangle, CIA's Hill Tribe Research Center
  • Chicago 1973, Customs seized opium from Thailand
  • Thai national, Puttaporn Khramkhraun, CIA, sponsored by USAID
  • Colby got Justice to drop the case because of National Security
  • No Good Men Among the Living: (Gopal 2014)
            America, the Taliban, and the War through Afghan Eyes
  • Phoenix Intelligence Operations and Coordination Centers (IOCC)
  • Migrated to El Salvador, Nicaragua, and to the United States
  • Homeland Security Fusion Centers, domestic IOCCs
  • The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation (1989)
  • Society of the Spectacle (Debord 1967)
  • Manipulation of perceptions creates reality, creates beliefs
  • CIA Speaks, The Phoenix Files
  • www.douglasvalentine.com
  • Previous appearance: BOR Show #642
  • also...
  • Will the Real Daniel Ellsberg Please Stand Up! (2003)
  • The Phoenix Program and Contemporary Counterinsurgency (RAND 2009)

    Play Doug Valentine w/John Muldoon   (2:10:21)   MP3 download



  • Author Douglas Valentine interviews John Muldoon (CIA)
  • Muldoon built Province Interrogation Centers (1965-1966)
            *** (Muldoon Tape 1 Side 1) ***
  • Tucker adopted a Korean girl, she became a doctor
  • Tucker Gouggelman was a Marine in WWII
  • Gougelmann (CIA) and Barlow (MI Six) were setting up
            Province Intelligence Coordination Committees (PICC)
  • As far as battalions, regiments, they came in '65
  • In Korea John worked interrogation in Seoul
  • John arrived in Korea in 1961
  • Kim Jong-pil, founder of the Korean CIA
  • Captured North Korean Intelligence agents
  • Anyone tougher than Special Forces? Yes, SEALs
  • Special Operations Group (SOG)
  • Gougelmann ran everything in Danang
  • John arrived in Vietnam in November 1964
  • He served in the National Interrogation Center (NIC)
  • The South Vietnamese had their own wants
  • Prisoners were both Northerners and Southerners
  • Vietnamese Military Security Service
  • The NIC was located at the Naval compound in Saigon
  • Four or five American interrogation advisors
  • He did what he wanted, went where he wanted
  • John had his wife and two children with him
  • Families were evacuated in February 1965
            (Camp Holloway helicopter facility attacked 02/07/65)
  • Paul Hodges (CIA Chief of Foreign Intelligence)
  • Choice of the U.S., or Thailand, Hong Kong,
  • Taiwan, Philippines, Japan, Okinawa
  • NIC American staff dependents in Saigon, maybe 15
  • John (aka PICadoon) moved to the PIC program as it started
  • Jack `Red’ Stent (CIA), new Chief of Foreign Intelligence
  • John’s boss at NIC had been Ian “Sammy” Sammers (CIA)
  • PIC staff came from NIC
  • After the bombing things started with the PICs
            (03/30/65, Viet Cong car-bomb outside U.S. Embassy)
  • John shared an office with Gougelmann and Barlow
  • Tucker was loud, foul-mouthed, brilliant
  • Barlow told stories about Africa, Malaysia
  • Australian Ian Teague
            (Australian Army Training Team, Vietnam (AATTV))
            (posted to a Covert Action Branch of CIA)
  • Jack, suit and tie, Tucker, shorts and no tie
  • Regional Directors prioritized PIC locations
  • A lot of politics, Province chiefs, special cities
  • Guard posts had been built outside the compound!
            *** (John Muldoon Tape 1 Side 2) ***
  • John describes the layout of a PIC
  • He narrates as he draws a diagram for Doug
  • PICs had 12 or 14 Vietnamese guards
  • PICs were located in provincial capitals
  • John's responsibilities, land, contractor, staff, training
  • Tucker (Gougelmann CIA) stayed in Saigon
  • PICs cost around $30,000 to build
  • Smaller versions, John called them "Nit-PICs"
  • 30 or 40 prisoners, kept isolated from each other
  • John built and staffed PICs, got them working, built another
  • He flew on Air America, the pilots were a good group of guys
  • John knew Ray Valentine (CIA), visited Ray's province
  • John visited all but two small provinces near Cambodia
  • CT (Counter-Terror) teams, armed to the teeth small groups
  • Not your average Joe, they got criminals and everything else
  • A lot of people doing a lot of things they weren't supposed to
  • Provincial Reconnaissance Unit (PRU) Program
  • John suggests Harry Monk (CIA) should speak for himself
  • Six or seven interrogators, a chief, a deputy
  • Analysts, clerical, guards, kitchen, medical staff
  • During the Tet Offensive, John was in Thailand
  • Marine Bob Slater (contract CIA) ran the PIC Program 67-69
  • John met Lucien Conein (CIA) in Vietnam
  • John worked 14 years in the Agency
  • John discusses the three CIA he would not work with
  • Counter Intelligence/Counter Espionage (CICE)
  • John discusses CIA recruits in Vietnam as paramilitary
            *** (John Muldoon Tape 2 Side 1) ***
  • John knew Jim Ward (CIA)
  • Ralph Johnson (CIA) and Evan Parker (CIA)
  • For the military Vietnam was the place to be
  • PICs were well lit, spotlights at night
  • Types of questions interrogators should ask
  • Making sure the medical staff knew what it was about
  • Betting on olive races with Lou Conein
  • People had different ideas about the value of the PICs
  • Military Intelligence would interrogate their prisoners first
  • Sir Robert Thompson, British Advisory Mission 61-65
  • John knew Jack Barlow in Thailand
  • Thompson was the experts expert
  • The concept was bought by CIA, the Embassy, the military
  • CIA province guys had to sell it to the military
  • Palace Dog/Project 404 (covert U.S.A.F. mission in Laos)
  • Doug tells John the PICs and PRUs became part of Phoenix
  • John never saw much of the intelligence from the PICs he built
  • John liked Nelson Brickham (CIA)
            (In charge of Foreign Intelligence Field Operations 65-66)
  • Tucker Gougelmann was a legend in his own time
  • Legions would follow him
  • Tucker tried to get his family out after the fall of S. Vietnam
  • In 1977 the Vietnamese finally returned his body
  • Tucker said he would kill himself before being interrogated
            (Tucker Gougelmann died in Vietnamese hands in 1976)
  • Orville Freeman, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, 61-69
  • Freeman was the best man at one of Tucker's weddings
  • John and Doug discuss book publishers
  • ABCs of American Interrogation Methods (Valentine)
  • More Valentine/CIA/Phoenix Program interviews



    Show #818
    Original airdate: January 19, 2017
    Guests: Dave Ratcliffe / Dr. William Pepper
    Topics: Col. L. Fletcher Prouty / Martin Luther King Jr


    Play Dave Ratcliffe   (61:33)   MP3 download



  • Next Tuesday is Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's 100th birthday
  • Col. L. Fletcher Prouty (January 24, 1917 – June 5, 2001)
  • Dave had the good fortune to meet and work with researcher John Judge
  • John introduced Dave to Fletcher in 1989, 19 articles in Freedom Magazine
  • In March, 1989, Dave interviewed Fletcher in his Virginia home
  • Over 11 hours of audio tape on The Secret Team (Prouty 1973)
  • First-hand experience, furthering the reach of National Security managers
  • Dave was motivated by curiosity, the opportunity to talk to with Fletcher
  • Len, just an interested citizen, posed a series of questions to Fletcher
  • Len was pleasantly surprised to get Fletcher's reply, "Sure, write to me"
  • When Fletcher spoke, he knew, knew what he had done
  • In 1979, Dave met and studied with Jazz pianist Mary Lou Williams
  • Understanding Special Operations, (Ratcliffe 1999)
            And Their Impact on The Vietnam War Era
            1989 Interview with L. Fletcher Prouty Colonel USAF (Retired)
  • Fletcher did some additions and slight editing
  • CIA, capitalism's invisible army, The United States LLC
  • 750 copies, appendices, indexed, a form of their conversation
  • NSC 5412 clandestine ops, Focal Point Officer, in conjunction with CIA
  • Chief of Team B, in charge of clandestine operations, for the Air Force
  • For clandestine work, you have to have the money available all the time
  • Ask him the question, and then just listen, don't interrupt
  • James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: (2010), feels USO is essential
  • Fletcher had to have been very bright to do the work he'd done
  • He would give Len as much as Len could absorb
  • Fletcher considered Len's knowledge and interest as one in ten million
  • The Manichean Devil, the ends justify the means, you have to have an enemy
  • Planning and overt diplomacy vs. response to intelligence inputs, without plans
  • In modern war, push a few buttons, rockets would fly, nuclear weapons would fall
  • CIA took the special forces, civic action/counterinsurgency side of the business
  • Reagan shook Gorbachev's hand, the West would not push any further East
  • Since then, push, push, push, insane people want that final war, take out Russia
  • Really tenuous now, Team Swamp, ramp up 'cause it's good for business
  • Fletcher had on-the-ground savvy, a military career officer in upper echelons
  • Understand how does our world actually work, not doomed to repeat history
  • Dave, Jim Douglass, and Martin Luther King, Confronting the Unspeakable
  • Hope in Confronting the Unspeakable, by Jim Douglass, 20 November 2009
  • Topics on the National Security State of America
  • History Will Not Absolve Us: (Schotz 1996)
  • Dr. Martin Luther King’s 1967 Anti-War Speech And Today (Schotz 2016)
  • The Government that Honors ... King ... Killed Him, by Edward Curtin
  • Which is Curtin's review of The Plot to Kill King: (Pepper 2016)
  • A Day of Service is a Disservice to the Truth of MLK's Life ..., by Edward Curtin
  • The MLK 10-Point Program, by Joseph E. Green
  • Transcript of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Assassination Conspiracy Trial
            November 15 to December 8, 1999, Memphis, Tennessee
  • The CIA as Organized Crime: (Valentine 2017 )
  • Breaking Through Power: It's Easier Than We Think by Ralph Nader (2016)
  • Ralph Nader podcast with Maria Gilardin of tucradio.org Part one, Part two
  • There is the dark side, but, there is also the light
  • We were fortunate to have had Fletcher Prouty
  • ratical.org, prouty.org, proutypedia.com

    Play Dr. William Pepper   (30:24)   MP3 download



  • Monday was Martin Luther King Jr. Day in the United States
  • Martin Luther King Jr. (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968)
  • King's birthday is abused in a celebratory fashion
  • It focuses on his civil rights work, not on his asset inequality work
  • Trump puts into power the wealthiest Cabinet in U.S. history
  • Martin was concerned about ending all war, a strategy of non-violence
  • American war and military bases around the world would have dismayed him
  • And that of course is why they killed him
  • He was to bring half a million or more people to encamp in Washington D.C.
  • Seeking a reallocation of American assets back into social programs
  • The military and government believed, revolution on the streets of America
  • In this country we assassinate critical leaders as a last resort
  • A problem of human history, we kill them and then celebrate them
  • William was the attorney for the King family in the action in 1999
  • Coretta Scott King, et al Vs. Loyd Jowers et al, Shelby County, Tennessee
  • It was established the he was officially killed, not by a lone gunman
  • The Plot to Kill King: (Pepper 2016)
            The Truth Behind the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.
  • The Dixie Mafia choreographed by Clyde Tolson at J. Edgar Hoover's request
  • He espoused the principle of love, love is the highest human value
  • He developed this extraordinary compassion for all of humanity
  • His commitment to non-violence put him at odds with others
  • His dream was the alleviation of suffering for all of humanity
  • Martin read William's The Children of Vietnam in Ramparts (Jan. 1967)
  • LBJ said, I can't get out of Vietnam, my friends are making too much money
  • The poor of the world will continue to suffer, in pursuit of this greed
  • Ramparts was an essential, serious, progressive voice in the sixties
  • The MSM is controlled, Black Op Radio and a few others are the exception
  • William feels helpless in the juggernaut of consolidated control of expression
  • Their greed, arrogance, and distain, will ultimately bring them down
  • President-elect Trump is not a Cold Warrior
  • King's legacy stands, we know what it is
  • The 50th anniversary of Martin King's assassination is next year



    Show #817
    Original airdate: Jan 12, 2017
    Guest: Mark de Valk / Douglas Weldon
    Topics: Dealey Plaza UK / JFK's Limousine


    Play Mark De Valk   (1:02:37)   MP3 download



  • Rebroadcast of BOR #561, from January 12, 2012
  • Mark is the editor of Dealey Plaza UK and the Dealey Plaza Echo published three times a year
  • Mark appeared live on video with Len in Hawaii on April 14, 2010
  • Mark is working on a series of one hour guerilla style documentaries based on several books;
  • JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters (Douglas, 2008)
  • Harvey and Lee: How the CIA Framed Oswald Hardcover (Armstrong, 1997)
  • Len explains why he has no desire to visit Dallas, including the existence of the Sixth Floor Ad Nauseam
  • Mark found being on the ground visiting assassination related sites to be like going into a time capsule
  • Mark found understanding the geography of Dallas gives one chills, all the important sites seem very close to each other
  • Louie Steven Witt, The Umbrella Man (Morris, 2011), Family of Secrets: (Baker, 2008)
  • Ruth Paine received divorce papers on the morning of 11/22/63, her lawyer and Witt worked in the same building
  • The Great Zapruder Film Hoax: Deceit and Deception in the Death of JFK (Fetzer and others, 2003)
  • Mark discusses a photo one page 100 in which he detects Eugene Hale Brading/Jim Braden with Robert Oswald
  • Inside the Assassination Records Review Board (Volume III) (Horne, 2009), page 845, the autopsy reports
  • Discussion of Len's 2010 Hawaii conference and a possible future Black Op Radio sponsored conference
  • The Sixth Floor has booked Dealey Plaza for seven days in a row surrounding the 50th anniversary
  • Mark urges a clandestine Black Op Radio broadcast from Dallas, perhaps from inside a van
  • Mark met author Barry Ernest in Dallas, The Girl On The Stairs (Ernest, 2010)
  • Len could broadcast from the Adolphus Hotel or the Hotel Lawrence
  • Mark encourages Len to be present in Dallas for the 50th despite the attempt to lock Dealey Plaza down
  • Contact Dealey Plaza UK

    Play Doug Weldon   (1:35:25)   MP3 download



  • Rebroadcast of BOR #451, from December 3, 2009
  • Douglas Weldon (August 10, 1953 - January 5, 2012)
  • A through and through hole in the limo windshield
  • Doug lists off a number of competent researchers and their critical works
  • So many people saw things denied by the WC, "What is the value of these witnesses?"
  • George Whittaker's story of the windshield at the Ford Rouge plant in Dearborn Michigan.
  • The old windshield had a bullet hole in it that traversed the windshield from outside to inside
  • The Whittakers were very fearful of divulging this information
  • Motorcade Sergeant in charge, Stavis Ellis also recognized that a hole was in the windshield
  • Ellis was a very honest and solid witness, he sought nothing from his knowledge
  • A hole emanating from the front means a shot came from the front, "NO LONE NUT"
  • If this is true, who was involved in altering and obfuscating this evidence?
  • The difficulties with other researchers using Evalea Glanges' information, they never interviewed her
  • Nigel Turner and Doug Weldon are the only two people to actually interview Glanges.
  • Witness testimony attesting to a windshield hole was continually made top secret
  • Deception regarding the windshield hole, testimony changed to "Pinhole" and no hole at all
  • The government went to extraordinary lengths to get the hole testimony recanted
  • Fear of assassination prevented many witnesses from coming forward
  • Doug clears up several misconceptions about the Whitehouse and Bethesda
  • William Greer, the limo driver changed his story many times
  • Martin Heinreichs, 3D image expert, stated the crack photos were not of the same windshield
  • The Secret Service ordered 12 windshields to use for "target practice" after the assassination
  • The inference is they were recreating the imaged damage without making a hole
  • Several dates seem to have been changed in and around the assassination
  • The limo seems to have a concocted history surrounding the driving of the vehicle
  • Weldon talks extensively about the researchers, good and bad
  • The lone assassin theory is "a house of cards"
  • Doug has a book in the works but he doesn't hold out hope it'll get published
  • James Cheney: First shot missed and raised dirt, second shot hit Kennedy in the front!
  • Doug believes Lyndon Johnson was involved in the assassination




    Show #816
    Original airdate: January 5, 2017
    Guests: Dr. Grover Proctor Jr.
    Topics: Oswald's Raleigh Call


    Play Dr. Grover Proctor Jr.   (1:01:01)   MP3 download



  • Dr. Proctor was in graduate school at the time of the Watergate Hearings
  • A friend suggested he read Heritage of Stone (Garrison 1970)
  • In 1980, post HSCA, Grover learned of the Raleigh Call
  • Grover was reading Conspiracy (Summers 1980), Area Code 919
  • Two articles published in Spectator Magazine, July 17 and 24, 1980
  • Mark Lane recognized that something was not right, government might lie
  • Garrison's book had a lot to say about CIA, Watergate, an overlap there
  • Anthony Summers told Grover that Robert Blakey believed the call had happened
  • Saturday night, the 23rd, Oswald is in the jail, he tried to place a call
  • Oswald called operator Louise Swinney, operator Alveeta Treon and two men listened in
  • Area Code 919, to a man named John Hurt, he gave two phone numbers, a collect call
  • Mrs. Swinney put Oswald on hall, and speaks over the phone to the two men
  • Mrs. Swinney told Oswald, "I am sorry the number doesn't answer.'
  • Mrs. Treon filled on an LD (Long Distance) slip indicating did not answer and cancelled
  • Mrs. Treon kept that slip of paper as a souvenir for the next five years
  • Alveeta mentioned the experience to a friend of hers
  • The friend told a Sheriff, who spoke to Mrs. Treon, then called the FBI
  • The FBI borrowed the phone slip, this was 1968, she never heard from the FBI again
  • The HSCA was gearing up in 1978, Bud Fensterwald's group sent them an unsigned affidavit
  • The HSCA interviewed Mrs. Treon, Mrs. Swinney, and John Hurt in Raleigh
  • John Hurt said, "No, I never received a call from Oswald"
  • John Hurt was a Counter Intelligence agent for the U.S. Army during WWII
  • Hurt's health suffered, he was an alcoholic, and considered psychopathic and a danger
  • Blakey, "real," "substantiated," "very troublesome," and "deeply disturbing"
  • The Spectator's publisher, Bernie Reeves and I contacted Victor Marchetti
  • The pre-publication censored The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (Marchetti/Marks 1974)
  • Standard spycraft, Hurt was a cut-out, if you get in trouble, call this person
  • Oswald was being run, or believed he was being run, as an intelligence agent
  • ONI in Nags Head, North Carolina, training young men to defect to the Soviet Union
  • Hoping they would be picked up by the Russians to be used as double agents
  • Those two men in the Dallas jail prevented the call to his cut-out
  • JFK's assassination gives us a chance to look under the cover and see the rottenness
  • Conspiracies require a high level of research and fact checking
  • They have to fight back against the truth telling
  • The Raleigh Call and the Fingerprints of Intelligence (2014), article, lecture
  • Site: groverproctor.us/jfk, Email: grover@groverproctor.us